I have a friend whom I believe to be in need of Platina. One of his primary symptoms is sexual perversions and fetishes, which he has had since a small child (he first became aware of this at the age of five). I know that Platina is generally considered to be a woman’s remedy, and perversions are part of the picture, but it is rare that women are sexually perverted. This usually falls within the domain of male sexuality. I was wondering if anyone else has seen this symptom relative to Platina, either in males or females.

[ 25. September 2002, 02:23: Message edited by: Tomi Conner ]

hello,

another remedy to be think of in case of excess sexual impulse is 'bufo'.for perversion you can think of RNA,Syphilinum etc

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I was reading a book in which some new proving are written. You will be astonished to read that it was mentioned in that book that you can gain kilo weight instantly with RNA and DNA. The writer given the ref. of Julian book.

I think most of the new proved remedies have no results except few. I claim that I have the largest collection of homeopathic potencies in my clinic in Pakistan. I have almost above 20 years of experince of single remedy.

I was astonished to read remarks over RNA and DNA. I don't who and where it was proved.

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Hi Tomi,
I think a thought on Syphillinum is a good idea here.
I think Sexual perversion, right from the age of 5 would indicate a Syphillic miasm. So I think the remedy should be a syphillitic remedy, if other physical sympotms also agree.

Then the foll rubrics would be the next pointer:

MIND; THOUGHTS; sexual : aloe, ambr., androc., aq-mar., arund., aster., bamb-a., bell., calad., calc., camph., canth., carb-v., chin., cod., con., dig., foll., graph., hyos., hyper., kali-br., med., nat-c., nuph., orig., orig-v., ozone, phos., pic-ac., plat., salx-n., saroth., sel., sep., sil., staph., stram., sulph., tarent., ust.

MIND; LASCIVIOUSNESS, lustfulness (K61, SI-692, G49) (Amativeness) (Amorous; disposition) (Company; aversion; solitude, fond of; masturbation, to practice) (Delirium; erotic) (Fancies; lascivious) (Hysteria; lascivious) (Insanity; erotic) (Lewdness) (Libertinism) (Nymphomania) (Pleasure; voluptuous) (Shameless) (Singing; obscene songs) (Thoughts; intrude; sexual - tormenting; sexual) (MALE; Sexual desire; increased) (FEMALE; Sexual desire; increased): acon., act-sp., agar., agn., aloe, alum., ambr., anac., androc., ant-c., ant-i., apis, arund., aster., aur., bell., bor., bov., bufo, calad., calc., calc-p., calc-s., calc-sil., camph., cann-i., cann-s., canth., caps., carb-v., carl., caust., cedr., cere-s., chin., coc-c., cod., con., cop., croc., dig., fl-ac., graph., hydrog., Hyos., hyper., ign., kali-br., Lach., Lil-t., lyc., lyss., m-arct., meny., merc., mosch., murx., nat-c., nat-m., nit-ac., nuph., nux-m., nux-v., op., Orig., ph-ac., Phos., Pic-ac., Plat., plb., puls., raja-s., raph., sabin., salx-n., sars., sel., sep., sil., sin-n., spig., squil., stann., Staph., stram., sulph., tarent., tere-ch., tub., ust., verat., zinc.

MIND; INSANITY, madness; erotic (K56, SI-638, G45) (Kisses everyone) (Lascivious) (Lewdness) (Nymphomania) (Shameless): ambr., Apis, Bar-m., bell., bufo, calc-p., camph., cann-i., canth., dulc., ferul., gins., grat., hyos., kali-br., lil-t., lyss., manc., murx., nux-v., orig., phos., pic-ac., Plat., puls., rob., salx-n., stann., stram., sulph., tarent., Verat., zinc.

Plat seems to be in all of them. MAybe thre amy be something else too.
Hope this helps.
doctorleela

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Hello Iqbal,

RNA,DNA etc are proved as early as 1970.you can see the provings in 'dictionary of homoeopathic MM by Julian.Variation of weight is found in proving of RNA.

I have used many of the 'new' remedies in this book with good results.Histaminum,HypophysineLP,ACTH,DNA,Mandrago ra,cresol etc are found useful in many cases and using for years.

Tomi,

for sexual perversion there are two remedies,Hypothalamus and Majeptil.I didn't used it as it is unavilable here.

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Dr. Leela,

I agree that this is a case of syphilitic miasm. I have looked at Syphilinum and some of the other rems but this one seems a better match as it contains his other symptoms such as arrogance, haughtiness, melancholia, etc. I'm not asking for help with this case; I was more interested to know if other practitioners have seen this symptom of perversion relative to Platina.

I also think it's worth mentioning here that I do not believe the nosodes should automatically be used in miasmic cases. I treat miasms almost exclusively and rarely have need of a nosode.

All the Platina cases I have seen have been highly sexual, but none have admitted to unusual sexual desires.

What exactly is meant by peversion in the Platina picture? Much of it was influenced by the opinions of the practitioners of the time, many of whom considered masturbation a peversion of natural instinct.

In the proving of platina, the sexual symptoms are mainly to do with excessive desire for sex - not really to do with fetishes. Clinically there was added the desire for anal intercourse, very much considered a peversion in the old days, now somewhat accepted as acceptable sexual behaviour. I believe that 100 years ago a woman wanting a lot of sex was considered to be peverted. Now, we have equality. The Platina picture also includes homosexuality, which once again is now an accepted lifestyle choice, not a disease.

Unless the rest of the case directed you to Platina, I would interpret the symptom in a different way. Fixed Ideas or Monomania or something else. Combine that rubric with Satyrisis or Nymphomania to come to a person with strange sexual ideas - Platina is no more prone to these than any other remedy in my experience.

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Oh SOrry I seem to have got the gist of the whole thing wrong.
Interesting to see David's reply.

Actually in India its rare to have a patient disclose such things, if they do they would tell you more about impotency and masturbation as problems and probably excessive desires.

In fact NONE of the cases where I prescribed Platina admitted to any sexual perversions or problems. So I probably have nothing to offer you there.

[ 18. August 2002, 12:20: Message edited by: doctorleela ]

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I'm not sure my friend would ever admit such things to a doctor either. I only know about it because I've known him well for a long time.

As for the use of other rubrics such as masturbation, excessive desire and monomania, while these may be somewhat accurate they're not as specific as "sexual perversions," especially since he has little desire for normal coition. Murphy lists only four remedies for MALE, Sexual, desire, perverted, and Phatak lists the same four remedies. While we find such symptoms as masturbation and nymphomania frequently in the materia medicas, only a few remedies show "perverted sexual desire." And that is the best description for this symptom.

David,

I understand that sexual practices which were once considered “perverted” are now considered to be somewhat normal, or at least not deviant in the way they once were. However, I am not ready to discard this rubric based on that speculation. Also, as I said in a previous post, the other symptoms match up well with this remedy, which was why I was interested in exploring this symptom further. But as Dr. Leela pointed out, this is the type of symptom that’s difficult to explore because most people are unwilling to admit to it.