I have a 10 year old girl as a client. She was formerly under the care of a homeopath who does sequential therapy. This is a well known homeopath who also teaches. She has had all of the major nosodes for miasms, all of the major childhood illness and vaccine remedies for vaccines, plus a number of remedies for various acute and chronic problems over a period of four or five years.

From what her mother says, the girl was not ailing in any way when she was first seen by this homeopath, but the mother, who was a student of the homeopath in question, wanted to prevent future illnesses, so had her daughter treated. The girl has many, many problems, each of which started after she was given various remedies.

I've given her two remedies over the past five months, neither of which has helped. I'm confused and I'm not sure how to proceed. I don't want to keep throwing remedies at her. I'm afraid that all of the remedies she's had have really confused her vital force. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to proceed?

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Shirley Reischman

Hello Shirley,

Such balant and unwarranted use of Homeopathy medicines is condemnable in every possible words.

Now here is what can be done.

Homeopathy medicines when given in this way create artificial states (more deeper than artificial disease) in the person. There are two ways to go from here.

One is to treat the state she is in at the moment (thru her current symptom picture). You may have to change medicines many times here as the state should change after every few weeks or months on the right remedy. The patient may not always feel better after you give a right remedy during this course as the underlying states may be more disagrreable. You have to use your judgement and analysis to see in which direction the case is moving. It can be hard sometimes. This cycle should continue till you reach her basic state (about which u should get idea by getting information abt her before she was given these medicines and the parental history and nature)

The second way is to find out what her basic state was first and give a medicine for that. What this will do is that it will excite the primary state enough to clear lot of symptoms. Again as the states change you will need to change your medicines and will ultimately come full circle to the medicine with which you started.

Both ways can work. But I must again say it won't be very easy either way. You and your patient will have to have lot of patience. Also you should be very clear about your prescriptions. And it is better to start with lower potencies(30c) and then gradually move higher with each medicine.

One very important thing with such cases is to prescribe auxiallary measures to improve the vitality in general. Such measures could be healthy diet, light exercise, yoga, meditation, swimming etc.

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Dear dr. Bhatia, dear Shirley

Interesting suggestions for a situation mirrored in the Organon :

Par.: 75
These inroads on human health effected by the allopathic non-healing art –more particularly in recent times) are of all chronic diseases the most deplorable, the most incurable; and I regret to add that it is apparently impossible to discover or to hit upon any remedies for their cure when they have reached any considerable height.

Par.: 76
Only for natural diseases has the beneficent deity granted us in homeopathy the means of affording relief; but those devastations and maimings of the human organism exteriorly and interiorly , effected by years frequently, of the unsparing exercise of a false art, with its hurtful drugs and treatment, MUST BE REMEDIED BY THE VITAL FORCE ITSELF, appropriate aid being given for the eradication of any chronic miasm that may happen to be lurking in the background--,if it has not already been too much weakened by such mischievous acts, and can devote several years to this huge operation undisturbed. A human healing art, for the restoration to the normal state of those innumerable abnormal non-healing art, there is not and cannot be.

Why does method no: 1 not work?
Simply, because one does not know at present whether the symptoms present are a mixture of artificial disease-symptoms and disease symptoms, disease-symptoms, or symptoms of the artificial disease only. I can fully support Hahnemann’s observation in this point, that homeopathic remedies do not work to remove after-effects of drugging if prescribed in this situation.

Why does method no 2 not work?
The disease state where the remedy selection is placed on now is not present anymore.
So at best—the remedy selected will be partially suitable, risking aggravation and worsening.

I want to guard against any poorly selected remedy application, as it easily can imprint further. For the time being nothing can be done in a homeopathic way than watch and hope, that the original disease comes back with its original symptoms.

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Hans Weitbrecht
Consultant Homeopath

Hans,

To begin with, it does not matter if the person is presenting a pure disease picture, or artificial disease or a mixture of both. The patient comes to you with a disease state and one has to try to treat it based on the symptom picture. Both natural disease symptoms and artificial disease symptoms are ultimately a reflection of vital force. Only the agent creating the disturbance varies.

And regarding the second suggestion you misunderstood my point. I am not talking about a primary disease that has to be cured. Shirley has said that the girl was perfectly healthy when the medicines were given to her. I am talking about the 'State' we are born in. The state which reflects our genetic heritage, disease dispositions, the state of parents, the state of mother during pregnancy etc. There are many apparently healthy kids in whom you can find a calcarea or a kali. It is not necessary that you are able to identify the state of a person only after he/she develops some pathology.
The strong and dissimilar homeopathic medicines can supress the basic state of a person to show features of their own state.

A remedy given for this basic state can excite it enough to relieve some artificial states.

Lastly, young children have very strong vitality and in general show much better response to treatment than adults. And so I am hopeful for this girl.

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Thank you, both. The problem as I see it is that there was no original disease state, since she was doing fine before treatment. She had had vaccines and her family history does suggest some miasmatic problems, but she was symptom free. So I don't know how long it will take to get back to her original state - my sense is that her vital force is terribly disordered and is not going to improve for many years. Unfortunately, in those years, the parents will move on to someone else or to allopathic meds since the child is in a lot of pain and emotionally very fragile, now.

Without meaning to sound egotistical, I think I'm her best hope. I think if I can even help to relieve some of the pain or stabilize her emotionally, her parents will stick with me. This will avoid her going on to worse harm.

I've thought of things like Nux or Camph to try to antidote all of the remedies and clear them out, but I've only done that sort of thing when there were several things given in the immediate past, such as when someone's tried to dose themselves during an acute. I'm not convinced that this would work in her case.

I first want to cause no additional harm to the child. On looking at the case, I see I've given her three remedies. I gave the original remedy, Calc, on her state prior to all the remedies, based on an interview with the child, with each of the parents and some information from her teachers. When it didn't do anything, I decided to give Bell, based on what her current state is. When that didn't do anything, her parents gave me some more information (I'm not sure why they didn't give me the info when I first asked them to tell me everything), which lead to Phos. I probably should have stopped after Calc didn't work, but each time I thought 'Now I've got it!'

The mother is very pushy and keeps calling me with remedy 'suggestions' (she is a student), so I'm reasonably sure that if I don't do anything, she's going to start dosing the poor child herself. I'm trying to keep a lid on things and explain classical homeopathy to the mother, but I can feel her impatience with 'not doing anything'.

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Shirley Reischman

Dear dr Bhatia
You wrote:
am talking about the 'State' we are born in. The state which reflects our genetic heritage, disease dispositions, the state of parents, the state of mother during pregnancy etc.

Does that mean in your understanding, that every human by its mere existence is sick and needs treatment?
In homeopathy we treat disease, as it presents itself by symptoms and signs , reflecting disturbance. Not to forget the provisions made in par.: 5 and 7 in the Organon.
Aplying remedies to individuals not diseased is termed proving. If this is done repeatedly with the same remedy in high potency, it can cause imprint.
It behoves us to ask the person in question for permission to carry out a proving.

To ASSUME that a few irregularities present, a,STATE, and similar, or to ASSUME, that the parents ‘’STATES’’ are forming indications for the present diseasepicture goes against par.: 3 Organon

You wrote:
&gt;&gt;There are many apparently healthy kids in whom you can find a calcarea or a kali.&lt;&lt;

This is fitting the person to the remedy and therefore un-homeopathic.
In homeopathy we select a remedy on the basis of the totality of the disease-symptoms in the case of disease according to the Organon.

You wrote:
&gt;&gt;It is not necessary that you are able to identify the state of a person only after he/she develops some pathology.&lt;&lt;

if you mean with state: ‘’diseased state’’ as in comparison to ‘’healthy state’’, then of course we need to identify this before applying remedies.
Par.: 11/12 Org gives you the necessary understanding.

You wrote:
To begin with, it does not matter if the person is presenting a pure disease picture, or artificial disease or a mixture of both. The patient comes to you with a disease state and one has to try to treat it based on the symptom picture. Both natural disease symptoms and artificial disease symptoms are ultimately a reflection of vital force. Only the agent creating the disturbance varies.

It does matter very well in homeopathy !!!
See my last post for details.

You wrote:
A remedy given for this basic state can excite it enough to relieve some artificial states.

This is giving remedies in non-diseased individuals==proving see above.

You wrote:
The strong and dissimilar homeopathic medicines can supress the basic state of a person to show features of their own state.

Here it is well worth to bear in mind, that every medical substance will bring out a set of symptoms in every prover see par.:21 Org.
Dear Shirley
You should not compromise your integrity by a mother who is pushy, or things like: if I don’t do something now, she will go to the doctors. It is and has been the sole responsibility of this mother , that the child has come to this. Hit-and miss-prescriptions on no sound diseasepicture just prolongs the suffering of the child, as you found out already.

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Hans Weitbrecht
Consultant Homeopath

Dear Hans,

To begin with I do not think that in Homeopathy we treat the disease (as u have said above). I strongly believe that we have to treat the person, not just his/her disease.
And the differences in our views stem from this basic point. If you think about treating diseases thru signs and symptoms than I find it very difficult to go deeper and discuss treating people here.
Your knowledge of organon is excellent. No doubt about it. But their is more to Homeopathy than you can find in books.

Till either of us develops a different outlook, I would be satisfied if we just agree to disagree on this.

regards,

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dear shirley

one thing we are all agreed about it what a terrible situation this is, resulting from the misuse of potentized remedies.

i think the key is:

"Hit-and miss-prescriptions on no sound disesepicture just prolongs the suffering of the child"

natural diseases tend to present symptom pictures that correspond to the remedies.
on the other hand, medicinal diseases or mixtures of the artificial and medicinal diseases do not present clear indications for one or other remedy.

Shirley,
I do think you could use a dose of Nux 30 and see how much things clear up.
I've found it a wonderful remedy in many situations of "abuse of drugs" of all types.

The only other thing I can think of for the poor girl is having her drink small doses of black coffee everyday, till it appears that her vital force has calmed down.

Prayer and laying of hands does remarkable things in some of these situations, but it has to be done by someone really pure and strong in the Spirit.

All the best,
doctorleela

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I have just remembered about a case I had a few weeks ago. This was an 8 week old baby whose Mum had given her all sorts of remedies since she was born and admitted that the calm baby she had was now a whinging baby. Mum wanted the child to have its vaccinations and wanted it to be protected from amy side effects. The child wasn't given the vaccinations a couple of weeks ago because she was not 100% with a bit of a cold and cough. I decided that from the description of the child for the first few days of its life sounded very Calc. Also the child was plump and well, just looked Calc. There were other reasons but I haven't got the notes in fromnt of me. I gave the child 1 dose of Nux 30 - popped the pillule in her mouth, let her suck on it for a bit and then removed it. It only took a couple of days and the child was back to its placid Calc self. Mum was thrilled and promises not to mess the kid up again but come to me if it is ill. Now Calc follows on from Nux so I had Mum give the child a Calc 30 a couple of days before the vaccinations. All went well and there have been no reprecussions from the vaccinations so far (2 weeks now).

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