Dear Hans,

First of all sorry that I included you in my generalisation. You can have views without having beliefs (Belief comes from 'believe' and I personally think it's good to believe in your views). And I don't remember saying that beliefs always come from prejudiced observation. or did I say that? And even if I have some prejudices, I am comfortable with them because I consider myself very much human. One needs to be superhuman to not to have any prejudices at all. And I think 'Being aware of your prejudices' is as good as it gets for a human being. And that is what I try to attain.

When I started studying Homeopathy, i did not have any preconcieved notions about homeopathy or hahnemann or organon, or health or cure. I took the words written in organon 'as is'. But like you, I also implemented the rules on myself. I also undertook some provings and no doubt that the signs and symptoms were always there. And yet when I started treating patients, I always felt that there is more to a patient then the mere signs and symptoms you can elicit. I felt the need to understand the 'person' who had those signs and symptoms. I did not took the signs and symptoms 'as is'. I tried to find the 'why & how' behind those signs and symptoms. And I must admit that the experiences I have had with my work are very different from yours. I had realised these differences and that is why I had stated in the very begining that let's agree to disagree.

Anyway, I do not prescribe on my imagination, whims, and fancies. I do not prescribe for loving candle light dinners. I do not prescribe to change some body's personality. It's just that the mannerism, gestures, hobbies , and other personality traits often help me trace the state of the 'person'.

And as far as widening or changing Hahnemann's terminology is concerned, I think we all work with our own interpretations of his great work (I am excluding you from this generalisation). At least I do, as Hahnemann did not tell me what exactly he meant by every word and line of his work. So I had no choice but to interpret it. And If my interpretation varies from someone elses, I do not concider it any crime.

A large chunk of signs and symptoms in our materia medica's and repertories come from clinical experiences and not thru provings. I can not throw out that valuable data because it is clinical and has not precisely come up in provings. I do not know how you filter such data for every case and every medicine. Please enlighten me.

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Dear Hans,

It's kind of an unbelievable situation that in a profession where practically every case is begun with a 200C or higher, no one really knows how to antidote or undo the harm this can cause; it seems rather reckless and cavalier. The Organon is very clear: Hahnemann says no one would ever have to use an antidote in a case if he or she started with a low dose, because then an equally low dose of a better-chosen remedy would both end the aggravation and act curatively at the same time.

I know that many people think by "dose" Hahnemann meant "quantity", but he makes it clear that any factor that makes an impression on the vital force is part of the dose: quantity, potency, number of repetitions; and that the worst thing would be a high potency with frequent, unnecessary repetitions.

In this case, we have high potencies given without any necessity, with horrifying results, and nobody agreeing about how to undo it. Can the profession really continue to prescribe this way without harming itself?

Snoopy

Dear snoopy

For starting every case with a 200C or higher I do fully agree with you. In most of my cases I start treatment with LM1, first glass 1-3 teaspoons, as the case might be and then see. David Little calls it a test dose.

But often we oversee one thing: if the remedy was selected way off, then all what happens is, that the ongoing disease runs its course.
So Hahnemann is dead right when he advices to select a new more suitable remedy. Likewise, Boenninghausen in the article on my site gives directions how to select this follow-up remedy.
And then last not least: We need to improve on our remedy selections !!

Dear dr. Bhatia
You wrote:
I always felt that there is more to a patient then the mere signs and symptoms you can elicit.

I fully agree, that there is and for curiosity or whatever other reason I could listen to all those stories and try to ‘’understand’’ them.

This is every-ones choice to do this or not.
But it is not necessary to know this extra information to find the right remedy.

You talk about the state of a person. The state, as I understand it, of a person can very well differ from disease. we are in a state continuously during live. But this is not disease. What happens in disease is that sometimes parts of the overall state have changed when the disease started, and therefore form part of the diseasepicture. It is this change of state since the onset of disease, which forms part of the diseasepicture. So—a hobby someone has got nothing to do with the diseasepicture, unless this is a hobby like getting drunk etc.

You wrote:
&gt;&gt;At least I do, as Hahnemann did not tell me what exactly he meant by every word and line of his work.&lt;&lt;

If you want to know what Hahnemann said: Go and search for it, learn to read the originals.
If you want to reaffirm your believes: Then interpret.

Hahnemann won’t rise from the death, answer all our questions, and translate the Organon into English.

&gt;&gt;So I had no choice but to interpret it.&lt;&lt;

Now, as you have access via net to a lot more information, you don’t need to feel victimized anymore.

You wrote:
&gt;&gt;A large chunk of signs and symptoms in our materia medica's and repertories come from clinical experiences and not thru provings. I can not throw out that valuable data because it is clinical and has not precisely come up in provings. I do not know how you filter such data for every case and every medicine. Please enlighten me.&lt;&lt;

I cannot enlighten you, but I can suggest how you can enlighten yourself.

Get: Jahrs: Ausfuehrliche Arzneimittellehre. 1848
This MM shows by print which symptom is: A) provingsymptom, B) clinical symptom, c) provingsymptom confirmed by clinical experience.
It already contains 250 remedies. I rarely have to go outside of this MM.
Regards Repertory:
Only provingsymptoms and from those only first action symptoms have been admitted to the NON-clinical rubrics of Boenninghausen’s TT.

But there is a small price to pay —you have to learn German, as I had to learn English to understand Kent, Allen, Boger, and the newer homeopaths.

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Dear Hans,

Glad to hear you're an LM prescriber. Another advantage of LM's is that you find out in just a few days if you've selected the right remedy, rather than having to wait a month.

Snoopy

Dear Hans,

Thank you.

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Dear Dr. B.,
I'm sorry to see how you've been bullied into submission. (OR maybe you're just fed up with all this?).

I do think you could have chosen words and statements more carefully, though I competely understand what you were trying to convey.

I've seen it a common trend with this board to take up unclear statements of people and try to put people down by quoting various texts including the Organon.

Anyway we'll still survive as I do think the most important prerogative for us is to help people in distress with what we can do especially with our talent in homeopathy!

Warm regards,
doctorleela

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Hi Dr. Leela,

I hope I'm not one of those people--using the Organon as a grenade. Let me know, so I don't become obnoxious.

Snoopy

Hi Snoops,
I've not seen you using any grenades - Organon ones or any other? HAve you?
Completely slipped past me!

So you got your AC adaptor or not?
You missed my last post to Sam, I beat you to it!
Warmly,
doctorleela

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Dear Shirley,

Here are 2 aphorisms from the organon which might help you with this case.

¤ 91
The symptoms and feelings of the patient during a previous course of medicine do not furnish the pure picture of the disease; but on the other hand, those symptoms and ailments which he suffered from before the use of the medicines, or after they had been discontinued for several days, give the true fundamental idea of the original form of the disease, and these especially the physician must take note of. When the disease is of a chronic character, and the patient has been taking medicine up to the time he is seen, the physician may with advantage leave him some days quite without medicine, or in the meantime administer something of an unmedicinal nature and defer to a subsequent period the more precise scrutiny of the morbid symptoms, in order to be able to grasp in their purity the permanent uncontaminated symptoms of the old affection and to form a faithful picture of the disease.

¤ 92
But if it be a disease of a rapid course, and if its serious character admit of no delay, the physician must content himself with observing the morbid condition, altered though it may be by medicines, if he cannot ascertain what symptoms were present before the employment of the medicines, - in order that he may at least form a just apprehension of the complete picture of the disease in its actual condition, that is to say, of the conjoint malady formed by the medicinal and original diseases, which from the use of inappropriate drugs is generally more serious and dangerous than was the original disease, and hence demands prompt and efficient aid; and by thus tracing out the complete picture of the disease he will be enabled to combat it with a suitable homoeopathic remedy, so that the patient shall not fall a sacrifice to the injurious drugs he was swallowed.

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Dear Dr. Leela,

Go back to sleep, it's not important.

No, the adapter hasn't come yet, and I hate my husband's computer, gives me a headache, plus my CARA Professional isn't in it, my books are upstairs, and I can pretty much only use it for an hour a day; but...with all this free time I have now, I've been able to help Shana with math--about which she knows nothing--and I'm convinced fate has stepped in and put my computer out of commission so I could resume the role of responsible parent.

I'm glad you were able to to show up on Sam's thread, I'll give it a look.

Snoopy