Hello everybody!

Could you please tell me more about lac caninum, any information you have, expiriences, what you think of milks as a remedys

i have a patient whose symptoms matches lac can., but I'm not 100% sure should I give a remedy or not.

Symptoms are self hatered, autodestructive behaviour, patient can't stand to touch her self, think of her self as the worst person, dirty, ugly, guilty ......

So, if anyone can advise me anything, I'd be very grateful

If you can get hold of Alize Timmerman's work on the Lacs it would be worthwhile.
They all have the primary theme of self worth, relationships, communication and separation .
Also 'primitive feelings- not under control' seems to run through the lacs.
Clarke mentioned 100 years ago that the lacs will only be recognised and used 100 years later!

[ 04. August 2002, 21:33: Message edited by: Hoppitt415 ]

Dear Echo,

When you strongly suspect a remedy, ask 4 or 5 confirmatory questions for the remedy--keynote questions--like, in this case:

1.How do you feel about snakes?
2.Are your symptoms stable or do they tend to wander or switch back and forth?
3.Do you have an issue with fainting?
4.What kind of dreams do you have?
5.What fears do you have?

The Lac Caninum person has a big fear of snakes.
They have symptoms that change sides or move around. They have a big fear of fainting and a kind of vertigo as if floating. They dream about snakes, dogs and vermin. They are very fearful, like Phos. Fear of death, disease, insanity and they may call you constantly because of their anxieties.

If your patient has roughly 3 keynotes of
the remedy you're considering, you can most likely prescribe it.

Snoopy

[ 04. August 2002, 21:41: Message edited by: Snoopy ]

Dear Echo,

the characteristics you mentioned have frequently shown in my lac-can cases also. The feeling of hating themselves is strong - they often blame one part of their body for making them feel so ugly(my butt is too big, I have my father's ears etc). They especially feel that people look down on them - I have probably seen that feeling in all of them.

Only half my cases have had fear of snakes - one patient acutally liked them! The alternating sides only came up for one, and none of them were prone to fainting. These are not the core issues, but the LACK OF SELF CONFIDENCE is. They feel that they are at the bottom of the ladder, the bottom of the rubbish bin. And that is how everyone looks at them, like rubbish. At school, they may feel that all the 'cool' kids look down their nose at them, they feel like nerds, that their clothes are old and ugly. They will focus on things like their nose, or their hair, or their legs, and say how this part of their body ruins their appearance. Lac-can people may long for plastic surgery to correct nature's mistakes.

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David Kempson.<br />Dip.Homoeopathic Medicine.<br />Lecturer Australian College of Natural Therapies (Brisbane Campus)<br />Member AHA, AROH, HMA<br />Member Australian Homoeopathic Association. Member#0442.

Dear David,

Thanks for a deeper understanding of Lac Caninum.
Still, there must be a way of determining which "worthless" remedy to give a person.
Thuja also has low self-esteem and feelings of worthlessness and delusions that there's something wrong with their body. Lycopodium has low self-esteem, and I'm sure there's a long list. So, there must be a proceedure for confirming that you've picked the right remedy.

Snoopy

[ 05. August 2002, 01:33: Message edited by: Snoopy ]

I would think it would make no more difference than using different plants from different countries, or different disease matter from different people, or different rocks from different geological periods.

Otherwise we are faced with the situation where every single object on earth would need a seperate proving, and the provings we had would no longer fit the remedies we may be using.

If there is life force enough within the dead animals body to produce a remedy, then it may still be individual enough to cause differences in the remedy. How could we ever measure this?

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David Kempson.<br />Dip.Homoeopathic Medicine.<br />Lecturer Australian College of Natural Therapies (Brisbane Campus)<br />Member AHA, AROH, HMA<br />Member Australian Homoeopathic Association. Member#0442.

dear snoopy, david,

i don't know - it's a grey area.

an important experiment could be to take milk from a really happy, 'up' well-adjusted dog and to do a proving of it.

if humans taking this remedy still showed the low self esteem, self-loathing etc, then we would know the individual source of animal remedies is not likely to make a difference.

as it is, i think the remedy batches from live animals is more likely to vary than those from dead animals, plants and minerals.

the big question about lac can is this:

is the remedy available from pharmacies today from the same source as the original proving milk?

i think this is likely to be important because the mental symptoms of lac can fit only a few dogs, and presumably fitted the poor creature from whom the milk was expressed for the original proving.
but what if subsequent milk for remedies was taken from happy, well-adjusted, self-esteeming dogs?

lac can is a post-hahnemannian remedy, and hahnemann made sure all his animals were dead before taking remedy material from them - presumably so that the vital force of the individual selected did not have a significant individualising effect on the remedy prepared from it.
lippe had a nice cure using lac can but back then it was likely to have been from the same source as the proving - so that the proving data was safe for that remedy batch.
this use of animal derivatives while the animal is alive is an unknown area, as explored on the topic about nosodes some months ago.

Dear Anna,

I'm surprised to hear about dead animals because he tried to make sure that all his plants were living, right? Because he wanted the vital energy to be there. Correct me if I'm wrong.

You make a good point about animal remedies: does one dare ever use a different animal than the one used for the proving?

Snoopy

[ 05. August 2002, 00:56: Message edited by: Snoopy ]

Thanks for the answers

Snoopy, about the questions,

1.no fear of snakes
2.yes, symptoms wander
3.just slight fear of fainting, but nothing special
4.dreams are exciting, not pleasent
5.fears of isolation, that others will hate her, because she is the worst

David (thank you), yes, it's just like you describe it, strong feeling that she is the worst in the world, so it would be better to destroy her self, no self confidence at all, depression, feeling of self disgust, also can't stand to be traped in physical body.

So, I think I'll try with lac can., and I'll let you know........