Hello to all.

I have always wondered as to the use of Homeopathic remedies being a double edge sword. Let us see, if I can explain it and make it understandable.

In Homeopathy we are equipped with a waste range of potencies, posology and prescribing methods. In Homeopathy we are treating patients to overcome the ailing symptoms as well diseases so to say totality.

The choice of remedies and posology plays a vital role in the determination of mode of action the remedy in the human body. That can be Curative ie., passive or of Proving ie., active role of the remedy.

In repeated doses of a given remedy, we can start a process of proving in a patient and might get some of his symptoms that are bothering the patient while there might not be any cure for him in a Curative way.

In infrequent doses of the remedies we start a healing process in a patient that sees him through to a Cure.

The different methods I am talking are the active and passive modes of the action of the remedies. Active mode can be achieved by repeating the remedy frequently in lower potencies while the passive action mode is achieved by the infrequent use of the remedy in high doses.

Example:

Picric Acid has the ability to control the excessive erections in medium to high potencies, when these are presented by a patient. And a patient can be made to achieve excessive erection under the influence of the same remedy in the lower potency doses as during the proving of the remedy observed in the provers.

Doesn’t it prove the Homeopathic remedies to be a double edge sword?

Can anyone on the BB through some light in this regard to solve the riddle that remains unsolved since my student days. All are invited to make me wise.

Love you all, you are great people.

[ 28. July 2002, 20:13: Message edited by: Dr. Saboor ]

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Dr Saboor,

As Hahnemann said, a medicine only has the power to cure, by virtue of its power to alter the dynamic state (vital force)of a person. So, a remedy cannot have any effect unless it can create symptoms in a person.

Is this what you mean?

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Dear David Kempson,

It's true what Hahnemann said and that is the true definition of the medicine.

But I am talking about something else. Medicines act differently in Allopathy and Homeopathy. In allopathy the medicine are normally in chemical form that is catabolised and absorbed in to the body to compensate the body chemistry in a very direct way. While in Homeopathy the medicine in potency form acts in a different way and that is that it works on the vital force to alter the dynamic state of the body in an indirect way.

Now when we use these medicines in low potencies or mother tinctures that are close to their chemical properties, so we are taking the advantage of their chemical properties and are initiating a direct action in an Allopathic way.

In this way we are the users of a double edge sword. Have I made myself clear?

Is it so or not is the big question that is asked?

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Dr. Saboor. You are creative mind Doctor. Your post is sufficient to open the doors of mind. Some time it is not necessary to get answer.

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dr saboor,
i think you have in mind what hahnemann termed the primary and secondary action of a substance on the human being.
the primary action is the pure drug action - even if it is not homoeopathic to the case, if it is given in a large enough dose, repeatedly, like allopathic medicine, you will get the effect [of suppression or palliation].
the secondary action is the curative action by the body in response to a dose of the homoeopathic remedy.

I think what you are talking about is that remedies have different actions in high and low potencies. Potentized estrogen is an example. In low, it stimulate and in high it inhibits production of estrogen.

There are also indications that provings of different potencies of the same remedy yield different results.

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Dear Anna Bryant,

Then you agree to what I am saying that a Homeopath has the Double edge sword to combat the disease. We have the choice of Primary action or for that matter Secondary action of the remedies.

Now can we draw a fine thin line which can separate the range of medicine from Allopathic to Homeopathic medicine?

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Dear Shirley Reischman,

No exactly that. I tried to prove that in another thread if you remember, where I said that the remedies have different symptoms all together in different potencies so they should be proved like that and not just as a single proving.

To add to your list:
Natr. Mur.
In low for hypertention and high for hypotention.
Viscum Alb.
Again low in hypotension and high in hypertention.

Quite my mind, but we have to learn more about that through proving. It will be an uphill task to do so, but will prove worthy of all it’s labor in terms of upheaval of Homeopathy.

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Hi All,

It appeares as if I have made the point and no body is their to contest it any more.

Thank you Dr. Mujahid for your coments.

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dr saboor

my understanding of this matter is:

the primary action of the remedy is to make its 'imprint' on the vital force - the secondary action is the curative action of the body in response to that stimulus.
you can make the 'imprint' on the vital force with homoeopathic and non-homoeopathic medicines, but the secondary action will only be curative if you have chosen homoeopathically. indeed if the primary action is antipathic to the case, the secondary action will be adverse. e.g if you give coffee to a tired person the primary action will be to wake them up, the secondary action, to make them even more tired than before.

best regards, anna