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Old 24th July 2002, 06:41 PM
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Chris did not want me posting on here any more for she thought it was not helpful. I am sorry but I just need an answer to what went wrong with the Ars remedy I took. She has now told me to see a doctor for the pain I am in sounds too painful to be a result of the remedy. I guess I don't understand homeopathy at all for I thought if I didn't have this pain before the dose of LM1 ARS and now I do what happened? I have sever head pain right sided mostly but sometime I feel it in front. I have heavyness over my right eye and I strain in my right eye. I am in bad shape and feel like I don't have answers to what happened. I'm soory Chris but you kinda left me whit no understanding of what is going on with me and I am scared. You didn't want me to post on here but now I am having trouble doing my job and just getting through the day and I don't know what happened. Someone e-mail me privately who I don't know and said that after 48 hours if the remedy was not working that I shoul have stopped it and I am wondering how I ended up this way. I know this probably ends are working relationship and I am going to see a homeopath but a week ago I just had the right sided ear pain and now I have pain in both ears and a sever migraine. I can understand that no one is perfect and things happen but I just need to understand what happended. I should have found someone here to see me in person and that could return my calls/e-mails right away and thatis my fault. YOu have been great and I think you are great but I am in such pain and have no understanding of what happend. Can someone please explaine and will this pain eventually go away. Is this a side effect to a wrong remedy or a right remedy but taken in too high a dose.

I know Chris did not want me on here but can you blame me?? I am worse now than before and can't even do my job.

Tonight I am seeing someone but ever hour that goes by I wonder what happend.

Sorry Chris I understand why you didn't want me on here but I need some clairfacation for ME to understand.

Danielle
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Old 24th July 2002, 07:28 PM
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Danielle,
I followed your posting and understand your frustration....this is my take on what happened.

At some point you and Chris had a miscommuncation about your LM prescription...when to take it when to stop... it appeared by your posts that you were continueing the LM even while you drank the coffee... you then took Caffea in potency with some benefit, but because you later became uncomfortable you dosed yourself again with Caffea which in my opinion caused an aggravation of that remedy...you then panicked, which I do understand , but now your case snowballs out of control and is lost in all the BB advice and your panic... I think Chris will agree that this scenerio is the reason long distance prescribing is so difficult... basically, you took your case out of Chris's hands when you chose to post here rather than wait....waiting is always the best choice unless ones life is in danger... your symptoms have now reached a proportion that concerns Chris because she has no way to 'see' the case as it has become and I think this is why she wants you to see a Dr....if it is a homeopath you will be seeing soon, your problems should resolve quickly with the correct remedy and this homeopath will be able to give you the clarification about what happened that you need...but to be fair to Chris, remember, you chose to take your case out of her hands...Ricky's suggestion that you take ibuprophen while waiting for Chris probably should have been the first and only suggestion made by members of this BB...in my opinion.... Denise
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Old 24th July 2002, 07:39 PM
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Thank you and I do understand. Chris did reply to me off here and said I could take one more dose of Caffea if I was still spinning and I still felt that. But thank you for your comment becuase maybe the second dose did do something. I am posting here now for I need some light shed on my case before I go tonight. Yor post helps me remember that I did take a second dose of caffea and I had forgot that. I have a lot of respect for Chris but I am just left trying to understand if the remedy is the cause of my sever head aches and new left sided ear pain and eye strain. I am not attacking or blaming anyone I just need to understand so I don't go there toninight and leave out something and I am nervous he will be confused. It's confusing now ... my case and I hope I can explaine what happened step by step. I am in sever pain and I never thought this could happen but it did so I am trying not to go crazy.

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Old 24th July 2002, 07:42 PM
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I only took one dose of ARs LM1. Only one dose and waited for her. I never took anything during this time back with her unless she said it was ok to do so not even the second dose of caffea. I always waited to hear back from her before doing anything but I did need reassurance that nothing was going drastically wrong when I started spinning. That was scary.
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Old 24th July 2002, 07:44 PM
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I only took one dose of ARs LM1. Only one dose and waited for her. I never took anything during this time back with her unless she said it was ok to do so not even the second dose of caffea. I always waited to hear back from her before doing anything but I did need reassurance that nothing was going drastically wrong when I started spinning. That was scary. And I thought that was what this sight was for if you were in a pinch.

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Old 24th July 2002, 09:42 PM
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Danielle,
I know you are concerned about forgetting details of the last week or so, but..your reaction to this whole incident will likely go far to help the new homeopath find the correct remedy....just make a few notes about what you took when and the rest will speak for itself during the interview... just as an aside, I had an extreme reaction to an LM potency myself... you will get through it, best wishes... Denise
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Old 24th July 2002, 09:57 PM
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I guess this goes to show that even the LM's are powerful - this sort of reaction is comparable to a centesimal.

Danielle, there are a number of possibilities for what happened.

1. The remedy was close but not quite right. Close enough that you were sensitive to it but not close enough to cure. You may have developed what we call "proving" symptoms - symptoms associated with the remedy rather than the patient. You may be a hypersensitive/ ultrasensitive patient - have you taken homoeopathic remedies before?

If they are proving symptoms, then this may still be a good sign, as the remedy can still act to cure. They should pass off with time and leave you feeling better. Otherwise, a new remedy must be prescribed to antidote the effect.

2. The symptoms may be long-forgotten symptoms resurfacing as part of the aggravation/curative process. I know it seems strange to talk about symptoms you have forgotten, but I have had patients go through this, only to say later that they had these symptoms much earlier in their life. Sometimes they must confirm it with their family, who may remember what they have forgotten. This would then be an excellent sign.

3. The remedy has activated a latent disease/state inside you, which calls for a new remedy. There is a theory of miasms in Homoeopathy, which is way too complicated to go into here, that suggests we carry a blueprint for various diseases within us and can be activated at any time. A remedy may push one of these "buttons" as part of the process of cure. I normally ask a patient if anyone in the family has this symptom (look to any generation or branch of the family).

I am still formulating an understanding of this myself, but I have observed that some patients, after being given what appears to be the correct remedy, develop symptoms that a relative has also had. This then calls for a new remedy. I believe that disease not only has an element of the past in it, but also the future. Homoeopathy stimulates an old disease in order to cure the person of the possibility of ever getting it again. I believe that it may also activate a latent/future disease in order to allow us to prescribe a remedy for it immediately, instead of waiting for it to happen. I think this is a direct influence of the miasm we have inherited from our families. Bad blood if you will. I hope this also means we would not then pass it on to our children.
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Old 25th July 2002, 01:47 AM
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David and Hans,
I am so glad you both responded here... you gave the explanations I expected and needed clarification on.. I do have a question based not so much on what is homeopathic (I do recognize ibuprophen is not a homeopathic choice), but what is the lesser of evils when this kind of help is requested...my feeling at the time of my posting was that ibuprophen to palliate until Chris could respond was less of an imposition on the case than suggesting alternate remedies...
Hans, my understanding when reading this situation was that Ars LM1 was the first prescription...Caffea was prescribed to antidote its agg/proving(?) effects which did give relief but a second dose of Caffea was taken which if I followed the sequence of symptoms correctly was not needed and then she became much worse...this is why I felt she was aggravating on the Caffea (and it read true in Materia Medica)...
If the sequence I related is correct, is my understanding correct?
Thankyou both......... Denise
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Dear denise
The reaction was unclear and still is. We don’t have the case-notes chris is holding. Therefore we cannot analyse what went wrong in terms of disease-symptoms.
We can however look out for independent improvement signs, which give us the indication, that there is curative action. These improvement-signs were missing all along, even when the coffea was applied. Until we have all the information, we cannot say with definiteness what was going on, only that the disease worsened.
This fact urges par.: 250.
Regards giving painkillers as the lesser of two evils---I can tell you a story which happened 3 days ago:
A former patient of mine, girl, age 11 who was treated by me for persistent headaches and the tendency to catch colds and who consulted another homeopath for the last year came down with a headache in the evening. This headache was accompanied by dizziness and a blurred vision. The mother thought this was a viral infection as it was accompanied by Nausea, possibly retching and gave a dose of a strong painkiller without further investigation and sent the child to bed. However as time went on the condition worsened, and the child was admitted to hospital eventually, to be pronounced dead on arrival. It was revealed, that the child must have suffered a stroke.
I don’t have the full story yet. But would not have advice to take painkillers myself.
Regards what to do as a bystander—
I contacted chris directly:

Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 8:58AM
Subject: Hi chris

Dear Chris
What’s going on with Danielle?
Do you need help?
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Old 25th July 2002, 11:06 AM
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Dear danielle
Initially, I decided not to get involved directly in this carry on, only for that there are people unnecessarily suffering out there, which heartens me deeply, I decided to write these lines.
For me it is impossible to know exactly what happened, as I don’t know on what indications the Ars was prescribed.

Generally spoken there are different possibilities:
1) the remedy had nothing to do with your disease and the disease is running its course very much unaltered—the coffea made no difference. In this case the appropriate measure would be : retake the case and prescribe anew. Not getting any relive after the remedy would suggest this scenario.

2) The remedy did aggravate what is known as a homeopathic aggravation. This small homeopathic aggravation only happens in the first few hours after taking the remedy and only in acute cases. In chronic cases this does not happen, using LM’s if selected properly. See Org.: Par.: 157-161

3) After the remedy was given, worsening occurred. In this incidence there should not be any time wasted to select and apply a better suitable remedy for the momentary condition, as the last remedy selection was faulty. The remedy selected on the symptoms now present will not only antidote the previously wrong selection but also work curatively. See Org.: Par.: 249-250. Here is par.: 50 as a reminder:

‘’ When to the observant practitioner who accurately investigates the state of the disease, it is evident, in urgent cases after the lapse of only SIX, EIGHT or TWELVE hours that he has made a bad selection in the medicine last given, in that the patients state is growing perceptibly, however slightly, worse from hour to hour, by the occurrence of new symptoms and sufferings, it is not only allowable for him, but it is HIS DUTY TO REMEDY HIS MISTAKE, by the selection and administration of a homeopathic medicine not merely TOLERABLY suitable, but the most appropriate possible for the existing state of the disease. See par 167.’’

So—my advice would be, if you wish to be treated homoeopathically, to seek help in a competent homeopath. Taking painkillers would be unhomeopathic.
If you have more questions send me a mail.
My heart goes out to you, Hans

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