Dr. Mujahid Hussain,

I have received reply from DavidJK of my question, privately on the same day. I am fully satisfied with his answer. The way he explained his point of view was excellent. Hence to my opinion he is not WRONG

Dr. Leela’s selection of China ars is more than tremendous and excellent and admirable. The reason is, she is not the only woman who floated this idea because many homeopathic books are filled with this idea. Hence to me she is not WRONG

You explained about similar remedy concept in delightful way. Your explanation is highly appreciated. The way you explained, how to probe further on similimum remedies concept. Your teacher Dr. Acura seems to be very young and you are too old. I agree with you the idea about China ars instead of china and ars is not written in ORGANON or it not recommended by Hahnemann himself. Hence can not be included in Classical homeopathic method. Hence you are not WRONG in your healthy coaching.

After studying the selection from all honorable members. I conclude that all these selections are very healthy for this specific case. This shows their commitment with their profession. They are giving you choices for selection. Now it is upto Kkrista, what Kkrista will finalize for her/his cat. As cat is front of Kkrista and not to us. Hence all members are not WRONG

While discussing on web. It is my understanding that we should develop healthy attitude in discussion. We should respect the opinion of homeopath or non-homeopath. You are free to present your own point of view and you can disagree on any point. But be well-bred and well-mannered. Hence I am not WRONG.

When all we are all not WRONG then allow me to say that we are all CORRECT in our prescriptions.

I can guess. Dr Acura's pictures were not taken in a day. Superb demonstration.

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[ 31. July 2002, 05:06: Message edited by: Dr. Salim ]

came here after laps of few days. Very informative and jolly thread to read.

Dr. Salim,

Thanks for appreciating all WRONG concepts.

Dr. Aamir,

In Ninja Office, Dr. Shahkeel (Ninja Editor) was talking about some funny pictures of you. Do you like to see on internet.

Dr. David and Dr. Leela

I AM STILL WAITING FOR REPLY FROM DR. LEELA AND DAVIDJK. WHICH APHORISM OF ORGANON YOU FOLLOWED. WHEN A PATIENT WERE GIVING SYMPTOMS, WHICH WERE SIMILAR TO CHINA OR ARS AND YOU PRESCRIBED CHINA ARS ON PRESCENCE OF ELEMENTS AND NOT THEIR SYMPTOMS.

[b]WHICH METHOD OF PRESCRIPTION WAS UTILIZED BY DAVIDJK ON HIS MALAERIAL PATIENT. WHEN THAT MALERIAL PATIENT WAS IN ACUTE STAGE. HE WAS GIVING ALL THE SYMPTOMS OF MALERIA. HE OVERSIGHTED ALL ACUTE SYMPTOMS AND PRESCRIBED CALC PHOS ON ELEMENT BASIS.[B]

I will follow this point unless i will get answer. You know my habit of jumping into threads without permission.

To Anna Bryant

I intentionally wrote in combination thread. that in which aphorism it is written that combination is prohibited. You quickly replied it is written in 273.

Now I request you to please point out in which aphorism it is written that you can give calc phos to malerial patient when the malerial patient is giving you all peculiar symptom of maleria and you can prescribe calc phos instead on element basis.

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Dear Dr Mujahid,

I am not sure I understand your question. Are you asking for an aphorism that supports the use of Calc-phos for malaria, or one that supports the use of a remedy based on its component elements?

There is not point in getting stuck on this person's disease. The fact that she had malaria was not important. I did not prescribe on those symptoms, but on the long term condition she still presented with, even during the malaria.

I am unsure of which way you are leading this discussion. Are you questioning the use of a remedy based on its components, or of not using the symptoms of malaria to prescribe?

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David, (One of the most respected person to me on this forum)

Please take this discussion to its death point. The point which we are discussing here that suppose a patient has both the symptoms of china and ars. You are facing difficulty in the selection of one remedy from china or ars. Would you prefer to give third remedy China ars based on component of china and ars. If your answer is Yes. Then I would be like to listen from both of you in which aphorism you read all about this procedure.

Secondly, if a patient is giving you malerial symptoms. These include some Nine peculiar symptoms i.e. Fever with time modalities, Bitter taste, Severe headache, Chilliness, plasmodium in the blood, fever recurrent, perspiration etc…. When you are saying it was declared malerial patient then that patient must have all these eleven symptoms otherwise you can’t declare her maleria patient. If all these symptoms were there. The how did you come to Calc Phos. Please tell me all the symptoms of that patient first, then tell me how did you repertorize her, and how did you come to calc phos.

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DavidJK, You said Cina will only work when patient will be in Cina State. My understanding is when a patient has true drug picture of cina then cina will work on the patient. Else it will never work.

[quote]Originally posted by David J. K.

“Cina will only work if the child is in a Cina state”[quote]

Now apply this formula on China ars. If a patient has the symptoms of China or Ars (two most similar remedies to a patient case) then you must explore further into the patient. You can’t give third remedy China ars which is no more similar. You can’t prescribe china ars keeping inview of its component and not of its symptoms. The patient is not in China ars state. Mind it. Rather the patient is in china or Ars state.

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I have been going around and around with the names of these remedies. I can not figure this out! Chin Ars that is being referred to is Chininum Arsenicosum. Arsenicum is a compound of arsenic and oxygen. Arsenicosum is ? Chin is what we call China, Chinchona. Not Chininum. Chin Ars is an arseniate of Quinine (the salt of quinine and arsenic). These differences in names are because of the method of preparation?

I found in Mather that Chin Ars was proved by Philadelphia Clinical Society at the instigation of Dr. William H Bigler. Earlier Proved by Dr. Muler (Allen). Then goes on to quote uses by Kent and Boericke. It appears in Allen's Encyc, Boericke's MM and Clark's Dict. Also in the MM's of Blackwood, Knerr, Phatak, Pierce, Royal and a brief mention in Boger.

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dr mujahid

i cannot comment on david's private cases of course.

in general i do not find in the organon any justification for the scholten method of selecting combinations of remedies, and so i think that practice with potentized remedies should be refered to by some name other than homeopathy. as i wrote previously, i agree with what is written at 'dracula's funeral'

HI GPM,
Chininum is another way of saying China or Cinchona. YEs the Arsenicum we refer to is the compound of Arsenic metallicum and Oxygen. Aresenic MEtallicum is another remedy. (All this Greek and Latin!)

I can't understand all the confusion being created here. The symptomatogy if Kkrista's cat fits the China Ars description in the MAteria MEdica very well, and it (China Ars) could be recognised due to its similairties to its components China and Ars.

So if the symptoms fit the remedy China Ars, what is all the fuss about? Well anyway - so much for the short sighted.
Warm regards,
doctorleela

PS; Really one has no time or energy to justify oneself unnecessarily especially when people think only they are right and following the Organon!

[ 01. August 2002, 11:18: Message edited by: doctorleela ]

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Thank you Dr. Leela! I also do not know what all the fuss is about. I do use Clarke MM and although its a brief description, the symptoms of chin-ars match as well as china or ars seperately because all 3 of the remedies have simuliar componants. Chin-ars was never prescribed as a combination but as a seperate remedy that also covered her symptoms.
I think too that a point being missed about David's malaria case is (correct me if I am wrong here)that David was prescribing on other symptoms of the patient not necsessarily using the 11 or so traditional maleria symptoms.
At any rate, I need to dose kitty again, she insists on sitting on me and has twice now been unaware that she has (how do is say this nicely?) "crapped" on me. It is not drops of leakage but about 1/8 of a cup at a time which just pours out. It does remind me of thin (watered down) prune juice, it is warm to hot when expelled. Her anus is red and sore and obviously painful because she resists any attempts for me to clean. I'm trying to put a little vasoline on it as it looks quite dry. No more vomitting. Urine and drinking the same (somewhat more than in normal healthy state). She is retaining her fluids quite well (only need to give subQ every second day or so now). She has become increasingly attached to me and is constantly trying to sniff and lick at my mouth. She is interested in what I eat but when I offer her some, she doesn't want it (I tried yogurt the other day). She is quite limber and does not appear to be weak (she can move and spring really fast if she wants to). Her paws are usually cold (consistant with decreased circulation). Some normal discharge from the eyes which will form ball like crusts in the corners (pretty consistant with her age, condition etc.). Not putting on any weight, abdomin still concave. I have been trying to focus on the diarrhea, but it has been taking me to graph and aloe which doesn't sound right. The diarrhea at this time does not appear to be overly debilitating at this time but still constant so I don't know that chin or chin-ars would still fit in that regard.