What was referenced in the Organon or CHronic diseases about treating a baby, child based on the mothers state during pregnancy?

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Hi Barb, great to see you back! I don't have the foggiest idea.

Judyth and Rajan talk about it all the time, "Find out the state the mother during pregnancy!" Or even, "Who is the child most like, the mother or the father?"

I don't remember what Hahnemann said though, maybe someone else will.

Snoopy

Hello snoopsies

great to be back. I had a lovely vacation with hubby and kids and think I may have to move as Hubby was actually pleasant while we were in another state and I swear when we crossed the Wisc border back to Illinois the old Dave came back.

I think we were close to David Johnson and if we go back I'll try to see him when we are around there.

Looking forward to hear what others say about my friend Hahnemann and this topic.

me

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Well its difficult to say who originally said it Barb.

I don't remember it being specifically mentioned in the ORganon though.

BUT in practice I have found this idea very useful, though it is not necessarily always true. One starts out from understanding the child's state firs and then move onto the mothers state, especially if there are similarities of physical and mental symptoms.
Like I said, it is not always the same.
Warm regards,
doctorleela

PS; You went to Wisconsin? You could have made an appointment with David then. Anyway next time. Maybe your hubby needs to see him more!

PPS: WHy don't you permanently move to Wisconsin - if it seems to suit your hubby better! (kidding)

[ 22 June 2002, 06:00: Message edited by: doctorleela ]

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Barb
Is this what you are thinking of

Footnote to aph 284 in Organon
'Medicines work very well on babies through the milk of the mother or wet nurse. Every disease of the baby will be cured by administering remedies to the nursing mother much more easily than in later years.
Psora is given to babies through the milk of the nurse if not already inherited through the mother and can be cured in the same manner. But if mothers are treated in their first pregnancy with mild antipsorics (esp Sulphur potencies prepared according to aph 270( then both mother and foetus will be cured and healthier and stronger children will be born.

(From Unfolded Organon)

Very interesting topic!

I remember a homeopathic teacher in Germany who treats lots of children and babes say something along the same lines as you, Leela. In some cases it helps to know what went on with the mother during pregnancy as well as the delivery, but she always takes the presenting sx of the baby first.

If we think of the unborn child as a new person coming into the world, physically made up from the gene pool of a mother AND a father, how are we to know what they bring with them? On the level of soul/spirit, I guess it depends on our religious belief how we look at that. Where is it formed?

If the soul/spirit is an entity of its own, might it be possible that things also work the other way round, i.e. the state of the child influences the mother? In that case, maybe the mother's state during pregnancy might shed some light on the baby's issues.

Geez, seems I have more questions than answers. It would be interesting to find out where this idea originates, and how it came about.

Karin

Never Well Since Chicago! Why didn't I think of that? Wisconsin amel. Of course!

Here's my recommendation: Chicago Air 30C.

Snoopy

Snoopy

hmmm...seriously, is there a home aggravates?

So, no one knows if Hahnemann ever advocated this approach in treating children? Interesting.

ANother question. If a well chosen remedy fails to act (on a child) and you are fairly certain of the remedy and both parents are very strongly sycotic or psoric would it make sense to assume a miasmatic block and prescribe according to the miasms of the parents even if the child does not exibit strong miasmatic tendencies in the same regard as the mother and father?

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Mind, House, in, agg.-bry., lyc., mag-m., puls(2),
rhus t, tilia.

Mind, House, aversion to being kept in-lyc.

Mind, Home, desires to go and when at home, desires to go out-Calc-p(3), cupr-ac(2)

Mind, Home, desires to leave-arag., bry(2), elat,
lach., merc.

As for the rest of your question, I can only say that I hope Dr. Leela is here!

Snoopy

Hi Snoops and Barb,

Yeah, I quite like that prescription: Chicago Air 30C. David (Johnson) just might manage better than that.

Barb, the antimiasmatic remedy of the child (infant) is almost always decided on the fundamental miasm inherited first from the parents and then of course the grand parents and aunts, uncles nd siblings. In fact the compliants of the mother during pregnancy also indicate the possible miasmatic predominance in the child. The whole process of the pregnancy could be either the state of the child or of the mother, depending on what is dominating.

Sometimes, its difficult to make any prescription and one simply prescribes the antimiasmatic of the chief complaint. Most often Sulphur or some other antipsoric, unless strongly indicated differently for another miasm by a miasmatic predominance in the parents.

This comes to Karrns post.
Dear Karin - dead right imo!

Warm regards,
doctorleela

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