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Old 14th June 2002, 04:44 AM
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Homeopaths believe that we could antidote our remedies in the same way as other medical system's professional do.

For example if you want to antidote the side effect of erythromycin (an allopathic drug) you can inject one cc decadron (an allopathic drug). The patient will recover in no time and you can minimize the side effect or aggrvation of erythromycin with decadron

Is our concept of antidote is same as applicable in allopathic system of medicine if yes how could we justify it if no then why we are using the term antidoting medicine.

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I think the remedy stimulates the vital force in a particular direction. If something comes along that the person is sensitive to, it can then stimulate the vital force in a different direction. We then no longer see the action of the remedy, so we say the remedy has been antidoted. I really think the remedy, once the initial action has occurred, is no longer active. It merely appears to be active because we continue to see the results of the initial stimulation. We use the word antidote because it's denotes the results of what we see, but maybe there is a better word.
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Old 14th June 2002, 08:29 AM
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Scrichman,

You are the only woman who see things positively irrespective of the current situation on the board. I appreciate your approach.

Let's see some of your points.

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I think the remedy stimulates the vital force in a particular direction. If something comes along that the person is sensitive to, it can then stimulate the vital force in a different direction. We then no longer see the action of the remedy, so we say the remedy has been antidoted. I really think the remedy, once the initial action has occurred, is no longer active. It merely appears to be active because we continue to see the results of the initial stimulation. We use the word antidote because it's denotes the results of what we see, but maybe there is a better word.
Yes! Antidote is not the proper word in homeopathy. Becuase we can't antidote any condition / disease / symptom like we are doing in allopathy. Exactly we are using the word "ANTIDOTE" Just to teach the concept of diversion of symptoms which were aggrevating earlier but after the administration of our so called antidote remedy we actually divert the action of remedy and not actually antidote it as we are watching allopath giving antidote to minimize the side effect of their medicines or drug.

It is my opinion . You can disagree on this opinion that Antidoting in homeopathy is a wrong concept. We cant antidote the effect of medicinal physiological action as allopath are doing. We can only apply reverse gear to those symptoms for which we prescribed a remedy earlier by giving new (we are calling them antidote) medicine according to the symptoms or on clinical experience.
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My concept of antidote is "Antidote in homeopathy will not work like it is working or admisibale in allopathy" In homeopathy antidote means opposite symptom between two medicines. Just like bry is complementary, remedies follows well and at the same time it is antidote to rhus tox. My understanding is a competent doctors studied all these symptoms and compared them with reference to symptoms and then compiled as antidote or complementary in order to teach us. Actually the the word antidote has taken as loan from allopathy in order to teach us just like hahnemann used the word disease at least 800 hundred times in organon but we do not treat disease.

Rhus is complementary with bry in all their symptoms except in rheumatic or arthritic complains when both have different opposite symptoms like amelioration after movement (rhus tox) and aggrevation even in rest or during movement. Now here on this symptom it will act as antidote on symptoms remember on symptoms and not on medicinal physiological action just like we read in allopathy. In homeopathy antidote concept is symptom based and in allopathy it is pathological base.
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Hello everybody,

I followed your discussion about antidots.

I've got difficulties to understand the idea of antidoting in homeopathy. If you are using high potentized remedies, let's say above C30, real homeopathics without phytotherapeutic part then you are far beyond the materia (in physics: Avogadro number).

How should there be an antidoting possible? (classical: ignatia and coffee or x-rays at the customs). Can Materia and Idea interfere?

On the other hand: Everybody says something else, my feeling is that there's a lot of unsecurity about that subject among us.

I finally come to the conclusion that only a personal belief is able to antidote a remedy - but caution: if a practitioner is treating his client, his personal beliefs are transmitted to his client automatically and non-verbally. An example: If you are believing that coffee is antidoting the remedy, it will have the effect.

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How do we explain antidoting in animals then? I've clearly seen one remedy take away the ill affects of another and the animal has absolutly no idea how it is to respond...
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I finally come to the conclusion that only a personal belief is able to antidote a remedy - but caution: if a practitioner is treating his client, his personal beliefs are transmitted to his client automatically and non-verbally. An example: If you are believing that coffee is antidoting the remedy, it will have the effect.
Isn't that akin to saying that homeopathy will only work if you believe that it will work?

Our vital forces seem to be fairly suggestable, especially when they are in an unbalanced state. Since a well prescribed remedy works to 'nudge' the vital force toward a certain direction, i.e. that balance that represents health, then it makes sense that something that disrupts that direction 'antidotes', or perhaps just interrupts, the well prescribed remedy. I've had remedies that seemed to have stopped their action due to various exposures, but on the good advice of my homeopath to wait for a bit, the remedy's action would pick right back up and the desired effects were achieved.

The fact that antidote doesn't seem to be the perfect word may be more a case of questionable semantics than questionable theory. Just my opinion, of course.

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I agree on this point that antidote concept as applicable in allopathy is not admissible in homeopathy.

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Bruno, Are you homeopath?

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