homeopathic vaccines

rosanna · #1 (**permalink**) 4th June 2002, 10:00 AM

does anyone have any advice regarding use of pertussin as a 'vaccine' against whooping cough. my older daughter had whooping cough at 2, and i desperately don't want my younger daughter to catch it - epidemic of it going around nearby in somerset. can you use pertussin as a prophylactic, and if so how long does it last for?
grateful for any opinions!

sreischman · #2 (**permalink**) 4th June 2002, 11:23 AM

I would treat the symptoms as they come up. That way she has immunity to it.

Snoopy · #3 (**permalink**) 5th June 2002, 01:13 AM

Dear Rosanna,

If the disease is in your area, you can give 2 doses of Pertussin 30C in one day--I don't think the protection would last longer than one or two weeks. You can also give it at the very first sign of the illness when there are no symptoms to lead you to a specific remedy.

Snoopy

Simone · #4 (**permalink**) 5th June 2002, 02:56 PM

Rosanna

The best thing you can do for your daughter is ensure that she is healthy. If the original bout of whooping cough was treated homoeopathically and she has continued homoeopathic treatment, then she should be in no danger.

Homoeopathy works on the premises of treating symptoms as they occur. We cannot treat what is not there to be treated.

If you have a homoeopath ready and to hand, should she come down with anything you can have it treated immediately. I suggest you find someone in your area, as a precaution.

Karin Copper · #5 (**permalink**) 5th June 2002, 03:21 PM

Hi Rosanna,

When my son was exposed to whooping cough I gave a dose of Pertussin 200 C once he started to cough (initial stage) - against my better knowledge of the principals of homeopathy...

It did not prevent it, but I can say that his case turned out not to be very severe, although it was scary at the time. Once symptoms were more pronounced he was treated accordingly. Now why was it not very severe? I don't know if it was the pertussin or whether his would have been a mild case to begin with.

To sum it up: some practitioners prescribe these nosodes as prophylactics routinely and claim success. However, there is no guarantee that it will prevent the whooping cough from breaking out.

I would therefore second Simone's advice to find yourself a good homeopath as the best possible precaution, if you don't have one already.

Good luck and good health to your little one,
Karin

rosanna · #6 (**permalink**) 6th June 2002, 09:24 AM

thankyou everyone for your replies. will hold hard for the moment but if the epidemic spreads will give her pertussin. having been through whooping cough once with one child, i really don't want to go through it again as it was a very scary and long illness, even though it was comparatively mild, and the repercussions lasted a long time afterwards. my husband is very keen on getting my younger daughter vaccinated against it.

pksinha · #7 (**permalink**) 6th June 2002, 04:39 PM

Yes , Pertussin prevents I use 200 th potency once only .

rosanna · #8 (**permalink**) 7th June 2002, 08:14 AM

how long does the pertussin 200 last? ie weeks, months, years? is it an effective long term prophylactic or just when an epidemic is around? my elder daughter caught whooping cough when there was no epidemic and it wasn't actually diagnosed properly by the doctors until she was over the very worst of it, so i would be very keen to immunise my younger daughter homeopathically longterm if it were possible....? what are your thoughts pksinha?

kkrista · #9 (**permalink**) 7th June 2002, 08:42 PM

Hi Rosanna,
I believe the length of immunity is dependent on the body's initial response of the remedy (as also in vaccination). Generally if the child's immune system functions well (ie; the body deals with illness in a quick way with minimal symptoms)the nosode should protect for the length of the epidemic. I am not clear as to repeating doses upon further epidemics (I do, but I'm sure one of the homeopaths will correct me if I'm wrong!). My reason for posting was to relay the following information especially if you are considering vaccination.

Quote:

Although infants and young children continue to have the highest rates of pertussis, those rates have not increased since 1993. On the other hand, the incidence among adolescents and adults has increased substantially. Although vaccination is highly effective for young children, immunity diminishes in many adolescents and adults, and no vaccine has been developed for these age groups. Protection for adolescents and adults is achieved through early diagnosis and treatment and through prompt prophylaxis for those who have been in contact with infected people.
Large outbreaks have occurred in the Netherlands and Canada, mostly affecting infants and children, despite high vaccination coverage . Molecular analysis suggests that the strains of B. pertussis currently in circulation in The Netherlands are different from those that were observed in the past. Likewise, in Canada, B. pertussis strains isolated during recent outbreaks are different from current whole-cell vaccine strains. One hypothesis is that new strains of Bordetella pertussis may have evolved that are not affected by the vaccines used in the Netherlands and Canada. Possibly, vaccine-induced immunity has affected the evolution of the bacterium. Antigenic divergence between clinical isolates and vaccine strains has been detected, in particular with respect to the surface-associated proteins pertactin and pertussis toxin.Thus, adaptation may have allowed B. pertussis to remain endemic despite widespread vaccination and so contributed to the reemergence of pertussis in these countries.
Historically, the whooping cough vaccine has been administered as a merthiolate-killed bacterial cell suspension which is part of the DTP vaccine (The P in DTP stands for Pertussis cells). Unfortunately, about 20% of the children that receive the whole cell vaccine experience mild side effects. About 0.1% of infants experience convulsions soon after receiving the vaccine and in a very small number of cases (1 in 150,000) severe or irreversible brain damage may occur. In the absence of the disease in an immune population, parents have begun to wonder if the risk of vaccinating children outweighs the risk of the disease , and the value of the whole cell vaccine has been questioned. The new vaccines have fewer side effects than the whole cell vaccine.

rosanna · #10 (**permalink**) 9th June 2002, 09:32 AM

thankyou kkrista for enclosing that info. am going to look into it all further.

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