I'm a little leary to prescribe for the following because the life force is getting dangerously weak. Your suggestions will be most welcome. Kittens,4 months, confirmed Panleukopenia. One dead very suddenly (gave camph when found collapsed),2 left, one doing OK the other is in day 6 (very long time, very little food). Symptoms started with vomit (bile), very high fevers. Now the top symptoms are:
Watery diarhea (very little fecal matter), foul odor, periodic blood clots; copious and continual
Extreme, debilitating dehydration
Intestinal tract thickening (toxic state)
Dangerously low WBC (white blood cell count)immune system shutting down
Anemic (confirmed blood smear)
Thanks in advance
PS no sinus or chest involvement, intestinal leakage of toxins into the blood stream; fevers have come down, pretty sure vomitting has stopped though difficult to distinguish vomit from diarhea (using anti-nausea meds and erythro for bacterial overgrowth in intestines; eg camp etc)

[ 28 May 2002, 21:49: Message edited by: kkrista ]

Kitten went into DIC (disseminated intravascular coagulation) so we put him to sleep. I'm hoping gpm might see this post and hopefully have some experience with panleuk and homeopathic remedies. We have not had much luck prescribing. We have used nosodes in the past, but only works if given before symptoms start. We used Nux v on a group and had 2 survivers out of three, other than that no kittens to survive. Better luck with adults. Thanks

hello krista

from your two posts i am not sure if you still seek a remedy for the surviving kitten or if that one is ok. if you do, what are the symptoms?

have you tried mur-ac for the stage of the disease you describe above? merc is another thought but i bet you have already tried that.

Hi Krista,

Sorry about the babies. And that I haven't much to offer in advice. I have so seldom gotten in any kittens. Mostly older throw aways or ferals.

What little I have seen (mostly Macleod) mentions remedies like Ars (acute, when looks like poisoning, not necessarily diarrhea), Acon 10M, Phos 30 (if vomiting continues after trying Ars or heading toward pneumonia), Bapt (congested intestinal mucosa with hemorrhage, non responsive to previous remedies, oral dusky look), China 6 (dehydration, weakness), Pyro (septic, to stabilize both pulse and temp, give high such as 1M, once every hour up to 5x), Canth 1M(intestinal inflammation, peritonitis [hardness of abdomen, severe pain on pressure over affected area), Iris V 30 (to follow up after acute symptoms are controlled by other remedies) and Crot H 30(much blood lost in stool).

Anna, this is a viral enteritis that can show as colic (arched back, stretching out hind legs, abdominal pain with crying out) followed by or accompanied by severe vomiting, usually with thirst but also with difficulty drinking/lapping, sunken eyes, anxious expression and sternal recumbency (they look like a tight meat loaf). You may well disagree with the suggested potencies, it is just what I've read. It is not uncommon (right or wrong, I can't say) for vets to use really high potencies. I don't know what makes me think this but I feel cats, particularly, do well on higher potencies. Seems I read something, somewhere, about them being harder to get responses from than other animals and people. Likely a figment of my imagination. Or justification, as I have often used Acon 10M for cats that just don't look right, know something is wrong but nothing much showing yet, and then nothing develops.

Good luck, Krista, with the remaining baby. Darn shame about the others but this does go so fast. Wonderful that you were able to save even one.

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Hi Kkrista,

As I suggested earlier, BAptisia Tincture would be the way to go for the moment.
Also China is a wonderful pick me up for dehydration fo any cause - loss of blood or other fluids.
Arsenic if symtpoms match like chilliness and weakness.

GPM had given wonderful suggestions at the moment.
Warm regards,
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doctorleela, what potency Bapt Tincture would you suggest in this kitten's case?

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At this stage GPM, I think the Mother tincture is the best way to go, diluted, 5 drops 4 hourly. There is hardly any vitality.

Warm regards,
doctorleela

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this disease looks to me to be a feline equivalent of typhoid. i have never managed a typhoid case, living in england, so perhaps dr leela in india has more experience.

boger wrote that
'baptisia has been said to be a specific for typhoid but the statement is not true. It will abort the case at the beginning if indicated...Hahnemann's instruction about Bryonia and Rhus in typhoid still holds good. Often Arsenicum is useful at the beginning....In typhoid Arnica and Baptisia are indicated once in a while, Arsenicum fairly often, Rhus and Bryonia frequently. These five remedies probably cover over 80 percent of the cases...'

So i hand it back to you krista, to make a choice *on the basis of symptoms*, which if any of these remedies is appropriate for each case at each time. i don't think there is one remedy for this particular disease.

Thanks for responding Anna.The big problem with this virus is that it works very quickly especially on kittens. The allopathic community is under the impression that the vaccine has all but wiped out this disease but they are wrong. There is no difinitive testing for this virus (other than guessing from symptoms and low WBC count) and only necropsy can confirm it's existance; most cats or kittens die very suddenly and are quickly cremated. However we routinely perform postmortoms on our dead and can confirm a 10% infection rate. If we can treat homeopathically within the early stages that is when we will have sucesses, but once the animal has gone septic nothing we do seems to work. I'm almost afraid to prescribe for the remaining kitten because as of this morning she was improving (some vomit of small amounts but had a solid stool and is digesting small force feedings)and I hate to mess with her own body's reaction. But it could turn fatal within a few hours (as it did with her brothers). If anything I think I would be tempted to give a low dose of nat mur for her dehydration and its affect on the blood? The vomit and diarhea is hard to describe because it changes constantly, usually in a predictable way (septic way; intensity). Also perhaps try to boost her immune system herbally, if she keeps it down. Ultimately the diarhea (intestinal damage) needs to be stopped, correct me if I'm wrong, but that has got to be about a billion different remedies to sift through! Mentals are of little use to us, we don't usually know our patients well and as one poster likes to remind us, we must be very cautious about interpreting animal behaviors. I'm sorry I can't really come up with any concrete symptoms (her fever is not so often -but we can't keep a thermometer permantly up her rectum so we don't know for sure). Her stool was solid this morning. We are keeping her hydrated. Still intermittant vomitting. But all these symptoms might have already changed. I'm checking on her in about an hour. If you have any thoughts about it, we would appreciate it. Thanks

Dear Anna,

In India, Baptisia is used as a specific for Typhoid, especially cases where no obvious similimum is detectable. And by practitioners as great as Boger!
Leucopenia,
Intestinal Toxaemia,
Septic conditions of the blood
Prostration
Are indications at the Mother Tincture level.

Reagrds,
doctorleela

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