hello doc, that was a quotation from boger in which he said that:

"baptisia has been said to be a specific for typhoid *but the statement is not true*. It will abort the case at the beginning if indicated..etc"

what boger wrote was that there is an 80% chance of choosing the correct remedy for typhoid if you choose carefully from those five remedies, on the basis of symptoms not diagnosis.

for instance, at the stage gpm described "they look like a tight meat loaf" i would think of bryonia. flailing about would more indicate rhus.

Thanks for all your replies! Not sure on the typhoid comparision. The Feline Panleukopenia virus is caused by genus parvovirus which is a single strand DNA viral infection. It is characterised by fever, enteritis (small intestinal inflamation) and bonemarrow changes (WBC, RBC production; anemia...).Any water or food taken orally is immediatly expelled, very often cats are noted as "hanging their heads over the water dish" (want to drink but can't?)We have tried some of the remedies suggested. Bapt, Rhus and Pyro look hopeful; but I will look into all and hopefully be better preparred for the next case. The one remaining kitten was fine last night (even playing) we opted to give her nothing but add herbal immune boosters. She is still not eating but is not having diarhea nor vomitting, hopefully her immune system is winning the fight!
Thanks again!
PS: not sure about the "tight meatloaf" thing; what exactly is being described?

[ 29 May 2002, 20:01: Message edited by: kkrista ]

KKrista....Meat loaf......sternal position (on chest) with all fours tightly tucked under, slight bit of an arched back because of pulling in so tightly, nose tucked to chest. Tight, tucked, rounded on top, ready for the meat loaf pan. (Been a vegetarian a long, long time but know what those horrid dead flesh things look like!) Different than normal relaxed cat lying on tummy who would probably have their toes sticking out the front. They look like you could pick them up as a block or loaf. Immobile look to them. Look as though they are going into a zone and blocking everything out. Some, with respiratory difficulty will stretch neck forward, trying to hang the head lower than body.

__________________
Sometimes on Earth, you can find something that resembles a little piece of Heaven. And sometimes on Earth, a little piece of Heaven can find you.

Thanks gpm, I get it now, I see this often in most sick kitties. I've ordered my arsenal for the panleuk season, I guess when its comes down to it, I'll give them whatever matches most closely. The last remaining kitten took a turn for the worse yesterday night, vomit and diarhea as reported by the foster mom, however this morning she was fine again. She had solid stool and kept down food. Because this disease moves so quickly its difficult to know when to give up on a remedy and try another one (and hope you don't have to waste time antidoting in between). I'm thinking though that bapt and rhus will probably prove most useful.
Dr. Leela: I'm sure you might remember "Myra" -she's still kicking around and developed diabetes as well. Poor thing has had so many remedies... anyway she's had a break from it, we are trying to get the diabetes under control through diet. I recently stumbled on Nat sulph as what I would like to try next for her -does anyone have any warnings or subtle hints about it that I may not be reading in the books; anything I should be careful about? Thanks

KKrista,

Macleod suggests:

start with Ars 1M, one dose per hour, four doses

if vomiting persists but improved to point will lap water or milk and rejects it shortly after or if seems tendency to develop pneumonia, Phos 30, one dose per day, 7 days

Bapt, in cases that didn't respond well to above remedies/cats that react to disease in an atypical way e.g. suffering diarrhea more likely to need this remedy

China 6, one dose every 2 hours, 4 to 5 total, dehydration, etc.....but he says to use in conjunction with other remedies

Oddly, none of Macleod's remedy suggestions for canine Parvo exceed 30C, even for early use of Acon, but for felines with Panleucopenia, he suggest Acon in 10M and Ars in 30 for dogs(cats 1M).

__________________
Sometimes on Earth, you can find something that resembles a little piece of Heaven. And sometimes on Earth, a little piece of Heaven can find you.

I suggest crotalus horridus 30 c 6 hrly till she starts to get better.

__________________
Dr. B<br /><br /><a href="http://www.doctorbhatia.com" target="_blank">www.DoctorBhatia.com</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.hpathy.com" target="_blank">www.Hpathy.com</a><br />Homeopathy for Everyone

Thanks for the replys, however I have used both Ars and China rather unsucessfully; perhaps its my dosages and potencies... but again if I'm dosing every two hours for 8 hours, thats a long time in panleuk, if its not working they will be dead or too weak by this time. But I will keep those suggestions in mind as well. I will read up on the crotalus, thank-you Dr. B.

Dear Kkrista,

I hope things have calmed down a bit. I think if any remedy could just alleviate the suffering the animal is going through, it would be worth it. Is it possible to understand how much the poor things suffer in these conditions?

Yes I remember Myra very well. I do remember that she was on quite a few remedies. What did she have last? I had suggested Silica or Thuja? Its a possibility that the high sugar levels were preventing healing and keeping the gingivitis continuing too. She may not have been frankly diabetic but the sugar may have been on the higher side.
I just repped Patho symptoms and the remedies in decending order of importance : ALUMEN, Phos, Sil and Kreosote - for both gingivitis and Diabetes. (So don't know about NAt Sulph!) YOu may want to try low potencies 6C very frequently.

Warm regards,
doctorleela

[ 01 June 2002, 18:34: Message edited by: doctorleela ]

__________________
http://www.homeopathy2health.com

Dr. Leela,
Thanks for your response, it HASN'T calmed down, 2 new cases in adults this weekend. I'm started to wonder if this isn't a good copy cat to the virus because even the vaccinated and previously naturally challanged cats seem to be affected. No sickness is ever pleasant, but to answer your question, by my observation, most pain is obvious in the end, so as you say, even if we can eleviate the pain I think it is worth it. One of the kittens that crashed and eventually died, had extreme abdominal pains which the camph almost immediately stopped. With the last case I tried Bry (white tongue ...the bapt and rhus t order has not arrived due to shipping error!). I think the bry may have agrevated the diarhea? Hopefully I will get the bapt and rhus t today. The latest case this morning seems to be more vomit and excessive drooling than diarhea for now (they all present quite differently). We increased our numbers too quickly this spring and now we are paying the price for it. We decided after the 1st weekend of illness to close incoming until this virus has finished, which may be weeks away because I have another potential 8 cases (I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they will escape infection!!!!).
Re: Myra; we have tried sil and phos, I assume by your answer that Nat Sulph is way out in left field?... I will look into your other 2 suggestions THANKS

[ 04 June 2002, 16:35: Message edited by: kkrista ]

I know this post is getting long, but... I'm sure this must be the last cat to fall! (I am giving nosodes to all the others and in the past this has been most helpful) Poor Ruby has also contracted Panleuk. It came on very suddenly (over night) and I rushed her into our clinic yesterday morning. She is on IV (her concoction of meds include antinausea, amox, vit B, dextros). Blood smear this am revealed WBC dangerously low, her core body temp plumeted to 32 degree c yesterday and today is only at barely 34 degree c. Further to that she has developed a mild chest crackle suggesting pnemonia today. It sounds pretty hopeless that we know. Cats like this remind us of why we kill ourselves trying to rescue them. She was locked in a basement for 8 years!!!! We are desperate to give her a happy ending. She had a really bad URD infection 1 1/2 months ago, her response to treatment at that time was slow but solid. Today she is weak, and despite out efforts may die anyways. As I am not a trained homeopath I'm afraid to prescribe for her, but if some else can recommend anything that will help her heal or die, please do so. She has not had any vommit or diarhea other than the copeous amounts of bile she vomitted the night she originally crashed. THANKS
I just saw her, she appears to be responding somewhat... she is more active and her temp is going up; her intestines feel really flooded and will probably start with diarhea, but as of now still nothing.

[ 05 June 2002, 22:27: Message edited by: kkrista ]