i have no experience of this method but i do not see why it wouldn't work perfectly.

hahnemann wrote that there is no such thing as isopathy because by potentizing one alters the nature of the substance initially taken.

what could be a nearer similimum than this?

YES ANNA THAT'S WHAT MADE MY MIND TO CARRY OUT THAT. I AM SURE THAT THE CONSTITUTIONAL TREATMENT SHOULD ALSO BE CARRIED OUT ALONG WITH THAT, BUT WE SHOULD NOT HESITATE TO DO EXPERIMENTS (WHICH ARE LOGICAL) ESPECIALLY FOR THE PERSON WHO IS GOING OUT OF HANDS!
PLEASE ALSO PRAY FOR THE DISEASED CHILD!

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Nadeem

Dear Anna,

If you consider Aequalae to be a good substitute for the law of similars, then why not 'prove' it?

You could follow in the tracks of Father Deny Collet, the originator of Isopathy as a separate system from homoeopathy.

Hi Anna,
One of our lecturers was asked the same question, and said he had tried potentised blood. He found it helped in a few cases, but never as a replacement to the simillimum. He also noted that if we ever wanted to try it, it must be on ourselves first, and very infrequently.

[ 13 May 2002, 13:08: Message edited by: felix ]

Hi Anna,

Never tried it myself, but I used to know an old naturopath in Germany who used potentized blood from the patient. She had particular success with allergies, hayfever, etc.
She would take a drop of blood from the finger (just a little prick like you would do for a glucose test) and potentized it with water/alcohol. I think she prepared C potencies.
Caution has to be taken with repetition, apparently you can get nasty aggravations.

Urine was a popular folk rx in Germany when some 8 years ago a couple of books came out. I have used a baby's urine on the skin for eczema. It's sterile and seems to be more soothing than a lot of other things.

Hope this helps.

Kind regards,
Karin

Hi Anna,
We tried this on a diabetic cat, although we didn't potenize blood or urine, but insulin... so maybe its not quite the same thing? Anyways, it didn't work for him -we are still trying to find the right remedy for him and have kept him off any insulin this whole time by modifying his diet and lowered his BG to safe but not yet acceptable levels.

That's interesting about the nasty aggravations part, our lecturer said the same thing.
I guess it's because it has the exact resonance of the patient? The closer the remedy is, the more chance of causing aggravations with a misjudged potency. So potentised blood could have the capacity to cause some real trouble.

If you took a potency of blood, does that mean you would be addressing more than just the current, presenting picture? It seems more likely to cover the entirety of that person's symptoms, even ones that are hidden underneath miasms or layers. That sounds like it would be really disturbing for patients with a lot of pathology.

It would be interesting to experiment on ourselves, if in reasonable health, but it sounds a little too heroic to inflict on patients. Blood is such a complex substance, I think urine or saliva is perhaps less likely to cause trouble.
It would still carry the resonance of the patient, but without all the different components.

NADEEM,

ACCORDING TO YOUR LAWS IN HOMEOPATHY. HOMEOPATHY IS BASED ON NATURAL LAWS. WHAT IS YOUR COMMON SENSE ON USING OF URINE AS MEDICATION. URINE IS INCLUDED IN UNWANTED RESIDUES OF THE BODY. IT WAS EXPELLED BY NATURALLY BY THE BODY DUE TO ITS HARMFUL NATURE IN THE BODY. USING AGAIN THAT PRODUCT WHICH WAS EXPELLED BY THE BODY NATURALLY COULD BE A NATURAL PROCEDURE. IF IT IS SO THAN WHAT IS THE DEFINATION OF NATURAL LAW.

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<b>With warmest regards<br />Q.T</b>

to be honest, this doesn't appeal to me as a practice, but i could't see the failure of its logic until felix's idea enlightened me.

ie. the blood might contain a kind of disease history and as a remedy, address everything wrong with the patient all at once, not in gentle sequence like homoeopathic remedies.
that could be the problem, expecially if the system is reported to give results which are hard on the patient.

this idea would explain why when we try to find a 'global similimum' for patients it is often impossible and ineffective, and we might as well give them their potentized blood or urine.
whereas if we re-take the case repeatedly, and give similima for the pictures as they present, gently and gradually the patient improves.

after all with homoepathy, we are not trying to treat the person [for which their own blood or urine must be the perfect similimum at each stage], but their disease.

even though urine doesn't contain living cells from the individual, it will still have the vital energy the same as the blood i would think, so be pretty much the same in effect.

any further ideas?

Hi Anna,
I asked my lecturer about when he had used it. He told me about a case where a woman had a really unusual autoimmune condition, and the remedy she had been doing well on had stoped working. He retook the case, and found the picture had not changed enough to warrent a new remedy, so asked for her permission to try potentised blood (he chose blood in her case because that was where the energetic disturbance was resonating). He made a 12c and a 10m. The 12c did nothing, the 10m apparently turned her whole case around, and she really started to do well after that. He said that other patients had not responded, so it is not something he uses often. If you like, I could send you his contact details, I'd just have to ask him first.