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Old 12th May 2002, 01:52 PM
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I AM NADEEM, A HUMBLE STUDENT OF HOMEOPATHY.
A CASE IS REVEALED TO ME THAT A CHILD IS HAVING BLOOD CANCER. DOCTORS (ALOPATHS) HAVE BECOME HOPELESS ABOUT HIS LIFE.
I AM IN PAKSTAN AND THE CHILD IS IN AMERICA. NOW I HAVE SUGGESTED FOR HIM AN IDEA BASED ON HOMEPATHIC PHILOSOPHY OF NOSODS. I HAVE ASKED HIS ELDERS TO TAKE INFECTED BLOOD OR THE PROBLEMING SUBSTANCE OF THE CHILD AND POTENTISE IT (IN A HOMEOPATHIC WAY) UPTO AT LEAST 1000 TO START WITH, AND GIVE TO THE CHILD ACCORDINGLY, FOR SOME DAYS, AND THEN THE POTENCY MAY BE RAISED GRADUALLY (THEY DO HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE ABOUT HOMEPATHY AND ALSO THEY HAVE TRIED SOME HOMEO MEDICINES). i HAVE ALSO ASKED FOR THE DETAILED SYMPTOMS TO ADVISE THE REMEDY ACCORDING TO HIS DISPOSITION.
i WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU PEOPLE THE ABOVE CITED IDEA OF POTENTISING THE BLOOD/SUBSTANCE OF THE PATIENT TO USE ON THE PATIENT HIMSELF, WHO IS LOOSING HOPE. HOW MUCH YOU PEOPLE FEEL THE FEASABILITY IN THAT IDEA?
aND ALSO ANYOTHER ADVICE?
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Old 12th May 2002, 02:31 PM
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Dear Nadeem
As per homeopathic rules the potentised blood of patient given to the patient will start it's own proving . that may not be similar to the suffering . The auto immunotherapy and miasmatic treatment may help in my opinion
. I personally treat all the miasms in such patient .
If your patient has started to follow your suggestion what result reports let us wait
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Hello,

I hope I can be of some help. Is this a case of Leukemia? Using Murphy's Repertory, there is a rubric:
Diseases, Cancer, Leukemia, Children, in-Ars.(3).

Arsenicum is the only remedy! I would obviously go with this first. Potentizing the blood is usually what we do when our remedy has stopped working and we're running out of ideas.

I would put Ars. 6C in a bottle of spring water; give three times a day, succuss before each dose--which would be a swallow. Keep in the refrigerator.

Treat all acute flair-ups, like pain, with the appropriate acute remedy in a 30C as needed.

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Snoopy - Arsenicum would only be correct if it is homeopathic to the WHOLE person!! We don't give a remedy by the disease name but for the person.
Commonsense says that in an official proving situation a person would only come up with leukeamia if they were susceptible to it anyway. I do realise that Murphy does have this rubric but I would always prefer to use a more general one.
From the Millenium Edition of the Complete
Unassigned - Generals
LEUKEMIA (45)
1 acet-ac, 1 acon, 2 aran, 1 ars, 2 ars-i, 1 bar-i, 1 bar-m, 1 benz, 1 bry, 2 calc, 2 calc-p, 1 carb-v, 2 carbn-s, 1 cean, 2 chin, 1 chin-s, 1 coca, 1 con, 1 cortiso, 1 crot-h, 2 ferr-pic, 1 ip, 1 kali-hp, 2 kali-p, 1 merc, 3 NAT-AR, 2 nat-m, 2 nat-p, 3 NAT-S, 1 nux-v, 1 op, 1 phos, 2 pic-ac, 1 querc, 1 rad-br, 1 rib-ac, 1 saroth, 1 succ, 1 sul-ac, 1 sulfa, 1 sulph, 1 syph, 1 thuj, 1 tub, 2 x-ray

Re potenising the blood, this is isopathy rather than homeopathy and is only done in a last resort situation when homeopathy has failed.
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Hi Ricky,

I couldn't pass it up! Leukemia, children-Ars.3

How can anyone ignore that? Sure, it may not be the right remedy, but it's a better bet than potentizing the blood. We're never going to get a full case on this child, who ever he or she is!

By the way, for those who are interested, Robin Murphy has a new book out called:
HOMEOPATHY AND CANCER, which is available at www.a2zhomeopathy.com

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Nadeem

First of all, ask for all the reports. They will provide a clearer idea, at least to some extent, of the nature of the disease and the details of treatments the child has undergone.
Also try to get all details about the medical history of the child since birth.
Secondly, ask about the family history, both paternal and maternal. This will give a fair idea of the miasmatic background.
Thirdly, ask details about the health of the mother during the pregnancy and what treatments did she receive, especially enquire about the vaccines she might have been given. Any special events.

The idea of giving the patient the product of his own disease has been tested in allopathy as well and discarded because it did not work, although, initial reports gave some encouraging results, or at least it seemed so. The theory of nosodes is quite different from that of Isopathy. We prescribe a nosode because it seems to be a match for the symptoms of the patient and not because it is the product of a certain disease.

Having said all this, I think, the better course will be to see a local homoeopath. I understand that there are a good number of homoeopaths in the USA. Barb or JW will provide you a list. As a Muslim, I believe, every disease is curable (failure is due to our imperfect knowledge at a given time) and pray to Allah Almighty for the child's recovery.

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Dear Ghazi
Your suggestion to Nadeem is appreciable the last para . we believe a single community and that is Homoeopathy and homeopath . No Hindu no muslim or any rligion . only relion is homeopath
secondly like other science Homeopathy has als the limitation but I feel proud of your confidence
no doubt the science will develop .
Hope you will please not take my words in any bad sense
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Old 14th May 2002, 04:51 AM
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Thanks to all participants/advisors. yes of course I have asked them to provide me with the details/history of the child and also of the family. hopefully they will do it in a few days. I have also suggested them to be hopeful and go to some nearby homeopath. I am still doubtful how much time (according to the doctors) he (the child) has.
I just had an idea as a last step, and wanted to have your opinion about the feasability of the idea.
(in response to Dr. PK Sinha) Yes of course we are here not basically to show our religious beliefs but i do think that Dr. Ghazi's some words were clearly for me. after all homeopathy also does share its grounds with religious beliefs and practices.
Any how I strongly belive that all the religions are from same God, all the men have equality in there basic status. all the men can pray for one cause. So I am prayful and also ask you to pray with me for the child!
God Bless all!
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I HAVE SOME READING BACKGROUND OF ISLAM. YOU SAID BEING A MUSLIM YOU BELIEVE THAT EVERY DISEASE HAS ITS CURE IN THE WORLD. IS THE CURE RESIDE ONLY IN HOMEOPATHY OR IT HAS BE SEARCH IN ALL OTHER SYSTEM OF MEDICINE. LIKE ALLOPATHY, AYURVEDIC, UNANI AND SHAISTU ETC IF IT IS NOT RESTRICTED TO HOMEOPATHY THEN WHY WE HAVE SO CLOSE MINDS FOR OTHER SYSTEM OF MEDICINES.

HOMEOPATHY HAVE VERY LESS CLINICAL RESPONSE AGAINST THESE POPULAR INCURABLE DISEASES LIKE BLOOD CANCER, AIDS, HEPATITIS AND DIABETES ETC. WHILE OTHER SYSTEM HAVE ALSO THE SAME POSITION.

MY QUESTION IS. ARE WE GOING TO RIGHT DIRECTION IN SEARCH OF TREATING ALL THESE INCUREABLE DISEASES IN HOMEOPATHY AS WELL AS ALLOPATHY.

WHAT IS SEARCH IN QURAN AND HADEETH ABOUT THESE PROBLEMS AND DISEASES. WHAT IS THE CONCEPT OF DISEASE IN ISLAM? IF A PERSON GOT SICK IN ANY WAY WHAT TO DO ACCORDING TO THE FUNDAMENTAL RULES OF ISLAM.
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NADEEM & GHAZI,

I GOT SOME EDUCATION IN AN ISLAMIC UNIVERSITY AT EGYPT. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, ISLAM STRICTLY BANNED THE USES OF ALCOHOL IN ANY FORM. IT IS NOT PERMISSIBALE EVEN IN MEDICATION FORM. OUR MOST OF THE MEDICINES PREPARE IN ALCOHOL. AFTER READING THIS TITLE I SEARCH AT LEAST 20 SITES ON ISLAM REGARDING THE USES OF ALCOHOL. I FOUND A SAYING BY MUHAMMAD (SPIRITUAL LEADER OF MUSLIM) THE LAST PROPHET SAID "humar haaraam phil islam" and also said "THERE IS NO CURE IN ANY alhaaram THINGS" WHY ARE YOU USING ALL THESE THINGS IN YOUR DAILY PRACTICE?
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