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Old 13th February 2004, 03:10 PM
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Hello, My 1 year old nephew has been diagnosed with WILMS (kidney tumor, right kidney) and is currently undergoing chemotherapy. His tumor is quite grown and it is very likely that the kidney will be removed in the next few months after chemo.

I wanted to know if there are any alternative treatments available for this. Is there any way the kidney can be saved? what is the homeopathic treatment/medison for this? and most importantly, if we decide to get homeopathic treatment, will we have to (or should we) discontinue the other treatment (i.e. chemotherapy)?

Any advice at this time is appreciated.
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Sorry to hear about your nephew. This kind of malignancy mostly present from birth. Mostly surgery is the best choice for management, specially when the patient is now on chemotherapy. Inflamation of abdomen and burning remind us apis and canth. Fer phos during fever and canth/berb/Haem for blood oozing. Not hope about inborn cancer cells. Most cells disappear itself with the passage of time. Give good diet to child.
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A good remedy for any side effects from the chemo is Cadmium-sulph. I usually give 30C before and after treatment, sometimes several doses after as needed.
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At this point I would stick with what is being done so far. You say he is already undergoing chemo and surgery to follow correct? I have not been satisfied with homeopathic treatment for cancer though I would recommend you seek out a qualified homeopath that can help to alleviate unwanted symptoms from the chemo. You ask if you should stop chemo if you get homeopathic treatment and it is my opinion that that would not be wise at this point. Above all get information, from the doctors, alternative practitioners, and then make an informed decision as to what is best for the child.
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I agree with ntpathy. It would take a homeopath who is extremely skilled and also very familiar with oncology. I have had very good results treating for any side effects of the allopathic treatment and then doing constitutional treatment for several years following and have not had any reoccurrences. In one case that was terminal, I was able to greatly improve the quality of life and and his life was extended substantially beyond the prognosis, but who knows, maybe that would have happened even without homeopathy. The quality of life issues, though, were the direct result of homeopathy. One case that refused allopathic treatment did not do well, although I think I slowed the progression. All the other cases were working with an oncologist and came to me for adjunct treatment during and after allopathic treatment, and they all did well, better than the oncologists expected.
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Hi Shirley
How do you do CONSTITUTIONAL TREATMENT with HOMEOPATHY???
David little showed, that this is a total missnomer.
>>A good remedy for any side effects from the chemo is Cadmium-sulph. I usually give 30C before and after treatment, sometimes several doses after as needed.<<
Are you treating here by disease-names IE allppathically? then it would be better to tell the reader, tht you are treating allopathically.

clinically there have been a good number of remedies foound suitable after previous chemotherapy.
If the symptoms pointed to, the following remedies have been of great service to me:
Ars, Sec-c, Phos, Hep-s, Bell, Lach, Sulph and to a lesser degree: Creos, Merc, cupr,sep.

As always in homeopathy, it is the individual constellation of disease-symptoms, which calls forward the curative remedy and not the disease name. Prescribing by disease-names, does not show the basic understanding of homeopathic principles neccessary to practise homeopathy safely, but shows rather selfagrandizing behaviour of the want-to-be homeopath.
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Would your logic also apply, Hans, to all the old textbooks documenting the use of a remedy like Phosphorus for, say, something like "ailments from anaesthetic?"

Should we just idly allow the patient, who would benefit immensely from our knowledge as homeopaths, from our clinically documented experience of "curing what needs to be cured" with a well chosen remedy, to just suffer in a particular given situation? If so, why would a homeopath write such a notation as:

"Phos. antidotes the nausea and vomiting of chloroform and ether.
(p. 511, Boericke)?

Would that doctor simply want you to marvel at his collection of homeopathic trivia, or do you think he might have imagined it to be useful to you as knowledge which might be helpful to a suffering patient?

Should we denounce Boericke and others like him as allopaths, not worthy of the title of homeopath because...look, he's obviously prescribing allopathically there, though no one except Hans Weitbrecht sees it....?

Seems clear to me that when we see a patient in this situation after a surgery, and the suffering is intense and distressing, draining the patient of all the strength which would be necessary for recovery, we should take our valuable, clinical experience relevant to the situation to which it is clearly homeopathic--and this example above is a very good example of a situation where the remedy phosphorus would be clearly homeopathic to the symptoms picture demonstrated by the patient--and employ it.

Now, when you see a patient suffering from the debilitating effects of chemotherapy...effects which allopaths cannot stop because they use other debilitating drugs in a fruitless effort to curb the debilitation...it seems quite clear to me you can use relevant clinical information to ease the suffering caused by the chemotherapy...thereby giving the patient some fighting chance at recovering from the treatment of chemotherapy, and quite probably from the cancer as well.

Cadmium sulph is not always a chemical used in chemotherapy, so denounce this as isopathy would be wrong...however it does produce a symptom picture very similar to the one you would see in a patient who is given a round of chemo...and would, in fact, be quite homeopathic to the case if given at the appropriate stage of the treatment.

It is not a preferred way of treating a patient with cancer, but it is an excellent way of helping a patient overcome the extremely debilitating, destructive effects of the chemotherapy...thereby allowing the patient a fighting chance in overcoming his own ailment with his own vital force. I try to imagine what it would be like to undergo chemo, suffer its ravages, overcome them or know I'll succumb to them, and learn that my suffering could have been lessened or stopped completely with one timely dose of something like cadmium sulph...only to learn the HOMEOPATH did nothing to help me with his knowledge while I languished. It would really burn me to know that some jackass preferred to stand on what he assumed was "protocol" while I suffered.

I somehow sense all of this is just going to be pooh poohed away and dismissed, but don't you worry your head over this Hans, as I'm not trying to win you over so much as illustrate for others the grand possibility that your point of view is flawed, particularly in this instance.

As for the whole issue of chemotherapy, quite a few people have written about their experiences with cancer "treatments" and how they managed to survive them with timely applications of supportive treatments like Homeopathy. I honestly don't believe chemo victims have much of a chance to get well without some supportive medical therapies to allow them to survive the conventional medical therapies for cancer. Practitoners who have taken the time to learn about treating patients who undergo these conventional treatments are really the best homeopaths to choose for handling these cases--but they need to work on an ongoing basis, and they need to manage the case closely. Naturally, I also believe the best course of treatment for such cancers would be to take the case and use homeopathy exclusively...but in the real world, this will only happen in instances where patients haven't been terrified into submission by their oncologists.

Plus, Hans, I get so irritated knowing that you seem only to post pedantic, judgemental barbs against people like Shirley who offer legitimate information to people who ask for it, and could profit from her contributions on the board.
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SR.: wrote:
&gt;&gt; I usually give 30C before and after treatment, sometimes several doses after as needed. &lt;&lt;

IMO: Why then advice our patients to a treatment of which we homeopaths know, that it is non curative and becoming part of this procedure by givng homeopathic treatment for symptoms which may occur?
Makes no sense to me!

A timely reminder is the par.: 52

‘’There are but two principal methods of cure: the one based only on accurate observation of nature, on careful experimentation and pure experience, the homeopathic [before me never designedly used] and a second which does not do this, the heteropathic or allopathic. Each opposes the other, and only he who does not know either can hold the delusion that they can ever approach each other or even become united, OR TO MAKE HIMSELF SO RIDICULOUS AS TO PRACTISE AT ONE TIME HOMOEOPATHICALLY AT ANOTHER ALLOPATHICALLY, ACCORDING TO THE PLEASURE OF THE PATIENT; a practice which may be called criminal treason against divine homeopathy.’’

Well Divina, as always: the choice is yours:

If you want to be Homeopath, you cannot but follow the rules and principles constituting homeopathy. If you don’t want to, then what is your problem?

Maybe, you problem is simply, that you like to call yourself a homeopath, but at the same time you do not want to treat according homeopathic principles?

But why not call your treatment the Divina - therapy, and see how far you get with it. Time would tell whether its worth looking at or not.
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Old 14th February 2004, 06:23 PM
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I seem to remember a past thread that presented the thought that possibly using cad sulph for the nauseous effects of chemo might interfere with the vomiting that could be necessary to rid the body of the toxins..........?

Mustafamian, I sympathize with your predicament. The web site below may be of some interest.

http://www.whatareweswallowing.frees...ydoctoring.htm

I am definitely not qualified to offer any opinion in the discussion about treating cancer, either homeopathically or allopathically. My own experience is only with two cats.

One has been on Dr. Ramakrishnan's protocol for the past 14 months and is still getting daily dosages. He was a very fragile cat all his life, having had many difficulties, so the fight with cancer seemed an impossible one for him in his older years. When he was first put on the protocol he was unable to walk but a step or two without falling and was passing only red jelly like stool. He is still much among the living and doing quite well. He had no other treatment other than this form of homeopathic cancer approach. I know some will not call it true homeopathy, sorry about that. Had I known a better way, I would have tried it. It is extreme, giving 10 doses of remedy every single day. Frankly, the prospect of giving so much medicine scared me greatly. I've not seen what I would call ill effects from it. Luckily, too, he has never shown any objection and quite readily takes his *medicine*.

The other kitty was treated using a consulting homeopath via email and allopathic vet oncologists. I followed the advice of the homeopath which included allopathic treatment and surgery. He did not survive very long after these combined treatments began.

The most difficult thing, of course, is finding an excellent classical homeopath to handle the case. I don't necessarily suggest Dr. Ramakrishnan's protocol but it was all that was available to me at the time. I prescribed using only his book for reference. No one else should ever treat that way but this kitty was so terrified of vet visits and car trips, it was, I thought at the time, the gentlest way to care for him.

When one is facing a life and death situation, putting one's life in a single homeopath's hands is frightening. We feel more supported by the vast world of allopathic medicine, I think, by social training. There is so much *activity* in conventional medicine......lots of doctors, nurses, hospitals and other patients. To stand alone, accepting care from one person, fearing losing ground by doing it.....well, it takes a lot to do that. I know of one terminal case homeopathic hospital in Europe but wouldn't it be wonderful if there were many easily accessible throughout the world so frightened patients could have the feeling, if desired, of a larger support system? Imagine being able to have labs and exams done without being made to comply with standard medical treatments in order to have them and fight the system constantly. Such tests may not be *necessary* but does give the patient a feeling of security.

One hospital in Ohio does include homeopathic treatment, I believe. Does anyone know if it is used exclusively or along with standard medicines?
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"Phos. antidotes the nausea and vomiting of chloroform and ether. (p. 511, Boericke)?
This is clinical symptom and not proving symptom?

After reading the whole thread, I can safly say that these are the points due to homeopathy has bad name.

Homeopaths blames on one another. One say one thing and other observe something else in his/her practice and deny at the same spot.

It was Dr. MAS who first pointed all these flaws of homeopathy at forum boldly and said we must do something to resolve these issues which give bad name to homeopathy which also offers an opportunity to allopath to laugh at our own defined so called rules which contradict with one another but the problem is we do not want to discuss them open heartedly, being the reason we are not ready to accept them. What we generally do in the first instance we declare them troll which is the best we can do.


In my opinion shirley is also saying right and Hans is also not wrong. Then why we do not ready to accept the observations which are facts. Why we want to follow old rules blindly.
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