Hi All:

Looking for an antidote for Hippozanum & Carbo Veg. I saw in the Materia Medica various antidotes for Carbo Veg, but did not find an antidote for Hippozanum.

Would Camphor which can antidote CV will antidote Hippo too or what else will antidote Hippo?

Thanks for the help.

Kind Regards,
Rajan

Dear Rajan,

I've noticed that the materia medicas don't list antidotes for the nosodes! Very troubling, since my daughter, on separate occasions, proved
Medorrhinum and Tuberculinum and there was nothing I could do! And the homeopaths assumed no responsibility! I would have at least given me my money back!

Well, what you can do is prescribe on the presenting symptoms if you see a remedy image.
For instance, if the Hippoz. had caused bleeding, you might give one of the snake remedies; it all depends on what it caused--what symptoms you're trying to get rid of.

If you have a lower potency of Hippoz., you could give a dose of that.

I have heard that Peppermint Essential Oil rubbed into the chest will antidote a remedy; I know someone who successfully did it.

I have actually antidoted remedies by repeating the exact same dose of the remedy--I've done this 3 times. Once I had given my daughter with a cold a dose of Rhus tox 30C because I assumed the etiology was exposure to cold, damp air; but when I noticed her getting worse after the remedy, I said, "Uh-oh...here goes nothing!" and I gave her another dose of Rhus tox 30C and it worked! It cancelled itself out!

This is why they always tell you, "Once a remedy has started to work, don't repeat it!" Cuz you'll spoil everything. This is why I always say, "Put it in water, succuss before each use."
That way, you're never taking the EXACT SAME potency twice.

Let me know if you have more questions.

Snoopy

[ 20 February 2002, 05:25: Message edited by: Snoopy ]

Snoopy,

More than a decade ago I was treated for over a year with repeated dry dose 6C pellets on a daily basis along Eizyaga lines. These daily repeated dry doses were NOT antidoted, they provided some measure of efficacy but more worrisome was the accessary symptoms they produced. At one point I ended up in hospital with an acute asthma attack (I am not asthmatic).

Who and where does it say that repeating an exact same dry dose potency will antidote a remedy? I would think it would more be a case of one incorrect remedy causing a dissimilar aggravation and the next dose causing a deeper suppression.

Chris, I agree with you. Repetition does not spoil the good work of earlier doses. I think, the first dose of Rhus 30 did not touch the cold and the cold went on but the second dose acted curatively or in others just then the curative action started.

Regards
Ghazi
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Ghazi,

I should have been more specific. The second dose of Rhus tox took away the troubling new symptoms the first dose caused, leaving the original ones that I prescribed on. After antidoting the Rhus tox I managed to prescribe the right remedy.

Chris,

I'm sorry to hear of your bad experience. You should have been warned that if accessory symptoms occurred to back off the remedy. Maybe the issue here is potency. Aggravations from a 6C can be dealt with by stopping the remedy. (Assuming you haven't continued to take it for a year.) With a medium or high potency, though, what do you do? I can only relate my own personal experience, just as you did.

Snoopy

I may as well relate my other 2 experiences with antidoting. The first time, I had taken Belladonna 30C in water for a headache and I laid down to rest. Eventually I felt thirsty, and there was the Belladonna water sitting right next to me. Not feeling like getting up, I rationalized that taking another sip of the Belladonna water could only do me good. Ha! What a surprise, as all the benefits from the Belladonna slowly but surely melted away, and I sat there in dismay, and yet fascinated at how I was clearly experiencing an antidote. I wasn't worried because I knew I had Belladonna 200 in the house, and I knew I would take it.

The other time was a headache (again!) that I had taken Ignatia for because it came after a loss.
It had been hours after my first dose of Ignatia 30C, and I said to myself, "About time to repeat that Ignatia, don't you think?" So I agreed, and took another dry dose of Ignatia 30C, and again, the whole thing unraveled and my headache returned as before, and I said to myself, "I can't believe it! I've done it again! When will I learn? When will I ever learn! If a remedy is working, don't repeat it! At least not in the exact same potency!"

So, I offer you my 3 experiences with antidoting; and it occurs to me, that as a profession, we know very little about it; and so, if anyone else wants to share their experiences...because it's something we will be called upon to do--probably many times.

Snoopy

Thankyou Snoopy, Ghazi, & Chrisg for all your help.

Snoopy: The remedies were taken in 1M potency & probably more than proving, it is the wrong remedies given, causing suppression of symptoms. I could be wrong on this as I am not a homeopath. I have heard many times from you & others that on a right remedy there should be a feeling of well being with the symptoms clearing up.

With Hippo & CV, the symptoms are coming on & off..looks like suppressed rather than healing process. Along with that, new symptoms have shown up. Really down/low in energy..mentally as well as physically. Shortness of breath on climbing 2 stairs & stiffness of muscles, heavy perspiration & run out of breathe on slight exertion, uneasiness in chest...etc.

Do have Hippo 30 & Carbo Veg 30, but I feel these may be too high to antidote? What do u think?

I am thinking of Camphor 30 for Carbo V but not sure of Hippo 30. Will definitely follow with some Peppermint candies...peppermint oil not available/handy. Thanks for the suggestions.

Kind Regards,
Rajan

Dear Rajan,

I repertorized your new symptoms:

Shortness of breath on slight exertion
Stiff muscles
Sweating
and weakness

and came up with Silica and Calcarea. So you might try one of those in a 30C in water, perhaps repeated with succussions 2 or 3 times if no response is apparent, and if no luck after 24 hrs., try the other remedy. Also, if you think Carbo veg. has caused this problem, you could similarly try the carbo veg 30C if Sil and Calc fail, and finally the Hippo 30C if you get no results from previous tries.

Yes, there is no shortage of high potency cowboys who take no responsibility for the aggravations they cause. Hahnemann says right in the Organon--the high C potencies--"too violent"
(253, footnote a.)

Snoopy

Wanted to add that just in this post there have been few patient experiences of receiving bad homeopathic treatments.

I lately have had some bad experiences. I do understand that based on the level of experience or for any other reason, a patient does not get the desired results as anticipated. The thing which upsets me is that despite not getting good results, some of these so called "VERY LEARNED/EXPERIENCED HOMEOPATHS", keeping giving you guarantees on their treatments & completely mess up the case with high potencies and when nothing happens (no results) bail out of the treatment...take no responsibility on the misdoing.

Few months ago, (another experience), I was slightly sick with mild allergies etc., fever was 98.8deg. F. I approached a homeopath. He tried to give me some remedies one after the other...my fever moved up from 98.8 to 104deg F (which is not me) in 3 days time & I was totally different person....I was so sick, almost ready to land up in the hospital. Then I realized that this is happening because of wrong treatment. I antidoted the remedies & in less than 12hrs the fever came down to 99deg & next day I was totally fine.

Had I not have had good/wonderful experiences with homeopathy as a child & young adult, I would not have ever touched homeopathy based on the recent experiences with few WELL KNOWN/TOP TALENTED OR CLAIMED TO BE HOMEOPATHS.

These kinds of experiences make homeopathy un-popular or gives it a bad name. Sorry to write all this, but it is a patient experience which I wanted to share with all.

Kind Regards,
Rajan

I think that aggravations with homoeopathy are caused by scant regard being given to the conditions of major elimunative organs such as liver, kidneys, lungs and skin. High potencies ( and even low) stir things up in the body and if, for example the liver is weak it can't cope and previously dormant toxins are dancing around the system looking for a new home. I always use low potency organ remedies before give 'the indicated remedy' and by doing so, no longer get phonecalls from irate patients going through aggravations and other such sufferings. I was trained in the Kentian tradition of homoeopathy - fine in his day as people were less toxic then they are today. But now, different aproaches must be employed to avoid the aggravation sufferings and to move homoeopathy into the C21st.

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