provings were done using potentized and crude substances right?

If a crude substance was taken many times daily - is it not possible to "prove" it? Like cham tea or if someone used a camphor based lip balm, etc. What is the likelyhood that daily, repeated use over years would lead to proving the remedy?

and by the way... what is a cipher?

[ 17 February 2002, 02:17: Message edited by: Barb ]

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Dear Barb,

I don't believe provings are done with crude substances anymore; however, there is a homeopath, Asa Hershoff, who believes that you can explain the behaviors of many nationalities by the fact that they're proving various foods they're eating over and over again.

A cipher is a code.

Did you ever see my topic called "Barb?" I found the heart rubrics you wanted.

Snoopy

Yes - I meant to thank you for those - just what I needed.

cipher - as in decipher - I get it, duh.

But Snoops, back in the day did they ever use crude substances to determine provings?

What do others think of the theory snoops posted with regards to Hershoff?

If someone came to you complaining of severe irritability, being uncivil and cross which is worse when the get angry and when they are spoken to. Colicky pains in the abdomen and diarrhea from anger. Cheeks get red, especially one cheek. Sensitive to noise. Worse at night, from noise, from coffee. You would think to give cham correct? What if during the interview you discovered the pt drinks four cups of cham tea a day and has done so for the past three yrs. What would you do?

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Hi Barb,
I'd advise the patient to stop the cham tea for a while - and observe if the symptoms disappeared on their own first. Otherwise, how would you know if it was the cham that brought it on or not? Hence, if it was the cham - and you didn't removed the maintaining cause - you would then be prescribing on something that is not really a dis-ease.

That was what I thought .
Lisa

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Dear Barb,

I would have to imagine that in the early days
Hahnemann took crude substances, and we all know about Hering and the Lachesis snake he milked and in doing so, was over-come by the snake venom and asked his wife for a full report on his behavior
and symptoms when he finally recovered. But normally a proving is conducted with remedies, not substances.

Snoopy

It is not necessory to prove all medicines in mother tincture form. In which form hahnemann or other provers proved certain medicines are not yet known.

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Main Entry: 1ci·pher
Pronunciation: 'sI-f&r
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French cifre, from Medieval Latin cifra, from Arabic sifr empty, cipher, zero
Date: 14th century

1 a : ZERO 1a b : one that has no weight, worth, or influence : NONENTITY

2 a : a method of transforming a text in order to conceal its meaning -- compare CODE 3b b : a message in code

3 : ARABIC NUMERAL

4 : a combination of symbolic letters; especially : the interwoven initials of a name

thought you might like to know.

Divina

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thanks - any comments on the rest of my ???'s

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Barb, I do not know if Hahnemann used any raw substance for provings, but all were low potencies, Argentum being as low as a 1c triturate.

As for the Cham situation, I agree with Lisa's analysis and suggestion 100%. The most rational way to proceed.

Also I think there is a lot to be said for the idea that national/regional diet affects the locals en masse - in addition I would say the water quality and composition has an influence as well.

Anna and Lisa

I totally agree - that's why I posted this. But I am wondering how often this is put into practice or come across.

For instance have any of you come across someone proving coffee or how about phos ac from drinking pop?

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