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Hello, Dr. Saboor

Where are you? It was a nice lecture at Gujranwala in IHMA prog. Your lecture got good response from the audience. Keep it up. I received the news through Dr. Shakeel. Please send some pictures to the office of Dr. Shakeel.
I acknowledge your effort in the field of homeopathy. You are creating good awarness among the homeopath and general public.
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Hello All,

It has been a long time since I visited this thread as I was busy.

I started the topic, keeping in mind, the pit falls faced by the new comers to Homeopathy. To make them understand, what is the right path in Homeopathy. What is required of them, to become a classical Homeopath?

However, I was pleased to know that there are no beginners listed on the BB. There are only the intellectuals and knowledgeable Homeopaths who will have there own firm thoughts about Homeopathy.

Can any one on the BB say they were not the Masters of their Art of Homeopathy? (According to their understanding of Homeopathy) Did they not have the cure rate? Did they not practice the dictum of Homeopathy? (According to their understanding of Homeopathy) Did they not take part in bringing Homeopathy forward to this date? Did they not earn the recognition for Homeopathy?

I salute them all, for what they have done. All right, they were not practicing classical Homeopathy; they had their failures and successes. Nevertheless, they tried their best at their own level of understanding and brought Homeopathy to us. They kept the Homeopathy Alive and glimmering in the dark days.

Well, I was wandering as to how our more learned collogues try to patronize the threads of others without understanding that every one on the BB is not on the same intellectual plane as they are. What an egoistic thing to do. Please let the discussion develop and your insertion to correct the things, is very much appreciated at the right time so that every body will learn the art of Homeopathy. I think the discussions are the best way to learn as I am still learning after all these years.

In today’s fast moving world no one is coming to a Homeopath to be cured of his Psora, Syphilis, Sycosis or Pseudo-psora. No one in our patients has any idea of their layered diseases. They are not aware of the intricacy of their diseases. This is all hypothetical for them. They only want to get a cure for their most ailing symptoms that are keeping them away from their business. They are least pushed whether you are a classical Homeopath or a so-called Homeopath with your own ideas of Homeopathy. They want only, to be cured of their symptoms. Hence, the need for the symptomologist is eminent. We all have forgotten the Great Hahnemann’s Aphorism # 1.

Let us not forget that cure is with the help of Almighty and your role is only to treat .

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Thank you for the comments. I will forward a copy of the lecture to you in good time.


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Thank you very much dr saboor for initiating such an informative post. It will certainly provide help to new comers like me. Please elaborate yourself for us. I am ready to listen from you.
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Hello Almas,

I hope, I have spelt it right. Of course I will be discussing it in full details but at the moment my hands are tied down with Tax Department, Clinical Workshops Seminars & FREE CAMPS that I have to attend to. So please be patient with me.
Thanks for the invitation to the discussion.

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I promised to be back and here I am to discuss the same old topic almost forgotten by every one. You can appreciate it or condemn. It is up to you but its true I am an open person and fear not saying all the things for the sake of face keeping.

Dr. P. Panday M.H.M.S. (Calcutta), India has quoted a saying from the Kent and I quote here:
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"Homeopathy is an applied science and not a theory' - Kent
Applied sciences are experimented / tested and put to practical use on the subjects where as a theory remains a theory unless it is put to task. It is like this that we like to do many things, experimented by others, yet will not admit to it. In this sense, we are not very true to ourselves. However, we want to keep our faces hidden behind the Misters & Mistresses do right sort of thing.
However, there are a few bold ones who take a stand and admit to what they do and believe in their doing so. You can read in this thread and from the threads of others that I have borrowed for your convenience.

Topic: Shingles
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By treating again and again shingles patient through. One should develope the experience of shingles patient. We have no rule for disease prescription. But we can prescribe on disease name alone by confirming one or more important symptoms at our end. The reason is patient does not know about our philosophy. He needs treatment and not method of treating shingles.

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Thank you Barb, for the kind words. The truth is, sometimes you really can prescribe on the "disease" without repertorizing, depending on what the "disease" is. When I got stung by a wasp a few years ago, I did not stop to think; I took Apis right away. When I got a head injury about a year ago, again, without thinking about it, I took Arnica. Arnica isn't the only head injury remedy, but it makes sense to start with it. Same for Shingles; it makes sense to start with Rhus tox, and if there's no success, then you can question the patient. And if people want to question the patient straight away, I have no quarrel with that at all; but in this case, we have a third party asking for help, and we may not get a case. So what do we do? I prefer to recommend a likely remedy rather than do nothing.

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It is like this that now a day, Doctors are afraid of prescribing. They are not afraid that they lack knowledge but they are afraid of taken to the courts so they are hiding behind the homeopathic philosophy and tend to do nothing wrong. If I may ask what and who much is their experience in Homeopathy they might start yelling at me all at the same time about their academic achievements and in practice they might be having a nil experience. They might have spent years doing Homeopathy but have not exceeded treating three figures in numbers.

Where as a homeopath needs an art like feel of the disease and the patient. Moreover, I was told by many senior homeopaths that they have achieved this feel and they are off the mark a very few times. Their experience with the patients and the diseases is such that they can prescribe a walking patient, a sitting patient and a lying patient as soon as the first words uttered from the mouths of their patient. Yes Sir, they are the healers, and not us who are lacking experience, who have not developed such feels, as we have not had their experience so far.

Having said it let us consider what the criteria’s are I was asking you to consider being true or false. No one can shake these ideas merely by saying that these are not from the book, the Organon.

Definitions explained:

Acute basis.
A lot of Homeopaths like the idea of prescribing on the acute basis i.e., as soon as the manifestation occurs. They advocate prescribing in medium to high range potencies for quick relief of the symptoms
Alternating basis.
Quite a few of Homeopaths like the idea of prescribing are often prescribing two or three remedies alternating and interchanging them to achieve their target as quickly as possible.
Antidoting basis.
Certain Homeopaths like the idea of prescribing on the basis of antidoting the effects of disease producing elements i.e. they consider it that the effects are taken of their patients is cured of the diease.
Chronicity basis.
Certain Homeopaths like the idea of prescribing on chronicity basis even in the acute stages of the disease i.e. what, when and who and then what?
Clinical basis.
Certain Homeopaths like the idea of prescribing on the clinical basis out of their experiences they will not listen to any argument what so ever and many a times they are very much right.
Cyclic basis.
Certain Homeopaths like the idea of prescribing on the basis of cyclicity of the diseases. For example for Heart disease one remedy, for the deep bleeding cracked palms another and for the rheumatic disease of the knees another remedy in a cyclic manner. As all the diseases come in a cyclic manner. This diseased person cannot be cured, and has to be palliated in his agonies, complicated in miasmatic manifestation of Psora.
Drainage basis.
Now the idea of drainage basis is not that old and the practice is very often seen in the modern Homeopaths.
Miasm basis.
Very few Homeopaths like the idea of prescribing on the basis of Miasms as it is quite a gray area in the Homeopathy. Nevertheless, those who prescribe on this base advocate the highest achievements in terms of cure.
Organ basis.
Certain Homeopaths like the idea of prescribing on the organ basis considering that certain organ remedies act best on certain organs.
Relationship basis.
Certain Homeopaths like the idea of prescribing remedies taking in account the relationships of the remedies, i.e. Calc Carb to be followed by Lycopodium and then Sulphur. Hence the famous trio of Sepia, Sarsaperilla and Sulphur and so on.
Removing blockage basis.
A lot of remedies are listed in our materia medica that are said to remove the blockage that is hindering the remedy’s action in the cure of the patient.
Single remedy basis.
Most Homeopaths like the idea of prescribing a single remedy on the totality of the symptoms basis.
Specific basis.
Certain Homeopaths like the idea of prescribing specifics for the given disease. Such as Berberis Vulg. For the renal calculi.
Moon phase basis.
This idea was first brought forward by C. M. Boger and worked upon by many Homeopaths.
Time basis.
Certain Homeopaths like the idea of prescribing on the basis of time of the remedies, when the remedies act best. They will prescribe the remedy at a certain time to take the complete benefits of the remedy.
Then on the basis of doses.
Basis of single dose.
Certain Homeopaths like the idea of prescribing a single dose of the remedy with wait and see criteria.
Basis on multiple doses.
Certain Homeopaths like the idea of repeating the single remedy in odd numbers, i.e. 3,5,7,9,11 and so on.
These doses can be administered in a single day, one dose every day till the remedy starts its action in a positive way.
Basis three doses.
Certain Homeopaths like the idea of prescribing three doses of the same remedy. The logic they put forward is that the first dose will start its action, second will hinder and retard the adverse effects of the remedy and a third will enhance the remedy’s action in full force.
Basis of mother tincture.
Certain Homeopaths like the idea of prescribing the remedies in near to crude form, as they are more materialistic in their approach in the cure of the diseases.
Basis of low potency.
Certain Homeopaths like the idea of prescribing the low potencies, as they are not sure of the effects of medium to high potencies, many of those are converts from other school of thoughts.
Basis of medium potencies.
Certain Homeopaths like the idea of prescribing the medium range potencies considering these are more manageable than the high potencies.
Basis of high potency.
Certain Homeopaths who are surer of themselves, like the idea of prescribing the high potencies only as it is considered by them that the chronic diseases and the miasmatics can only respond to the high potencies.
Basis of high followed by low potencies.
The French homeopathic school of thought considers that a high potency will work deeply for the chronic manifestations where as for the acute symptoms a low potency will act for quicker eradication of the disease.
Basis of low to high potencies.
Certain Homeopaths like the idea of climbing the ladder of potencies as the effects of the first potency is worn out.
All the basis of prescribing, afore mentioned, comes under this category. The old masters whether they were following their killer instinct are were aware of their art, were great healers of all times. They were the names who brought forward the homeopathy to this day. Now we, who have just stepped in homeopathy, call them doing wrong according to the book.

For all those who are of the mind, they were wrong and incorrectly treating their patients I have a piece of advise in the words of Dave Hartley, of course he was taking in another context yet it is quite befitting here.
Dave Hartley writes in an answer to an email at the lyghtforce mailing list wrote in context to
"the famous Canadian homeopath, Rudi Verspoor"
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In English, we have a saying "a legend in his own mind" which is a comical
(& fitting) play of words on the saying "legend in his own time" .. the
former suitable in this case, the latter in Hahnemann's case.
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Mind, delusions, only one who understands Hahnemann, he is

Dave Hartley
(You may contact him if you want the remedy to that rubric.)
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Dear Almas,

Hope you are still with us and have read this thread. your thoughts are welcome.

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Dr. Saboor, I agree with your point of view. I am comming to your prog at Gujrat. Bye the way your idea of displaying flag in avatar is excellent.
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We are all saying now that we may precribe on keeping view of any doctrine or thought. e.g. Kentian approach, Boen approach, Hanemannian approach. Is it correct that we reach to right remedy what ever we will select the method. If not then the remedy we will choose will cure the patient?????????????????
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Aamir, this is very difficult question and have lot of confusion in it.
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