Pete, thanks. My earlier post equating merc poisoning with the syphilitic miasm was erroneous. As you write, the antipsorics are used for mercury poisoning, as are non-psoric remedies, but not mercury itself. So raw merc does not create a syphilitic situation.

How one could identify in a clinical audit, or in any individual case, that there is a definite cause and effect between mercury fillings and the presenting symptoms?
Thanks for sharing your experience with treating patients.

There appears to me to be a contradiction between the remedies listed in Boenninghausen's Pocketbook for poisonings of various kinds, compared to The Organon para 74-76.

Para 76 states that all the homoeopath can do to help the patient overcome the drugging is to give "expedient help against any chronic miasm that may still be lying the the background." Whereas:
1.experience shows that non-chronic-misamatic remedies listed by Boennighausen are effective against the symptoms of Mercury poisoning. Perhaps they just afford symptomatic relief, and only the anti-miasmatics are curative?
2.it is not always possible when prescribing to distinguish clearly between chronic miasmatic symptoms and drug-induced(Merc)symptoms.

It throws into question what H meant in para 76, and what homoeopathy can do, and what remedies can be used curatively in iatrogenic diseases.

Anna.
Thanks for your comments which certainly add to the debate.

In my audit, I was looking for trends only as it was a fairly lengthy undertaking. I am only now getting round to further intellectual analysis and find comments such as yours most helpful. My audit obviously reflects the type of patient I attract to my practice In many cases, remedies were indicated which were listed in Murphy's repetory/toxicity/mercury rubric. In this rubruc there are remedies which cover all three miasms. This has led me to hypothesise that mercury poisoning is
a) a cause of many problems such as IBS, eczema- type eruptions and so on.
b) a trigger point and that the type of reaction a patient will display is dependent on the dominant miasmatic layer(s).

A lot of homoeopaths argue that we acqiure many new miasms along the way and that is another discussion. I like to keep my homoeopathy as simple as possible as I can see that reactions to poisonings can be ascribed to the basic three.
The most common poisonings I have found in my patients were mercury, synthetic hormones antibiotics and radiation in that order. Surprisingly, vaccination remedies came a poor fifth which may thankfully indicate that they don't take in a lot of people (amonst my patients that is).

I think Hahnemann was saying that iatrogenic symptoms clouded the picture and that it was necessary to remove these layers in order to see the true nature of the paitient. In his day, toxicity levels were much lower and maybe this was possible. However now, many sources of toxicity are constantly drip poisoning people and are therefore impossible to remove completely; although it is possible to moderate reactions and still work on the miasmatic stuff at the same time. It's as if they are becoming a part of the miasms and rendering this work more difficult.

When I started in practice I saw lots of people with clear pictures and single remedies were all that was required. I now see such clear pictures once in a blue moon and mostly in children. A sign of our times?

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So you can't be the Peter Healey I thought you might be- he would have more manners than to ignore someone asking a question.

Sorry for bothering you!

oooh, Hoppitt, I've never seen you get so upset...

Go oooooon, Healy - answer her question for Pete's sake . (sorry...couldn'thelpmyself )

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Dear Lisa, that was a very English pun.

Dear Pete, I agree that keeping things as simple as possible is of benefit in homoeopathy. Once I realised that I stopped feeling guilty about missing lectures about new theories.

It would be interesting for your audit to be published since there are few homoepaths with as much experience. Then it would be clearer why you attribute certain conditions or complexes to mercury, synthetic hormones, antibiotics, radiation. [Please send me a copy because I am not a subscriber to the Soc Hom]

About Hahnemann's view of treating poisoned cases, from Chronic Diseases pp.115-6 I think the idea is if the poisoning has gone further than to cause dynamic change, and has caused organic transformation, then homoeopathic treatment of the psora can only be an adjunct to a system of restful living aimed at supporting the vitality as it attempts to throw off the effects of poisoning.
This being so, it makes some sense that there are non-antipsorics listed by Boenninghausen for the treatment of mercury poisoning provided it has caused only dynamic changes, not organic ones.

Since you mention hormones, have you any cases which only would respond to treatment after the installation of a complex water filter in the home? I wonder how much of a maintaining cause the hormones in our water supply can be.

Dear Hoppitt,
I am so sorry I didn't reply to you earlier and yes it was rude of me. Rudeness is one of my failings I'm not proud of and I hope you will forgive me.
You are right, I'm not the person you know. Maybe you can trace him on friendsreunited .co.uk and look in their workplce section.
Happy hunting.

Pete.

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Thanks for the reply Pete- you are forgiven!
Reading my outburst in a new light I think I must have been having a bad day- you're right Lisa -not like me- probably hormonal !!

I , too am very interested in your comments ,Pete.

You say you give Psorinum or Hep Sulph to most patients. Do you follow the Pritam Singh Dyscrasias method of prescribing? I have a colleague who uses only this method and she has the most wonderful results!

HI Pete and Anna,

Thanks fror your discussion. Certainly made me reflect some more on miasmatic blocks in patients. The good thing today is that Mercury Amalgams are much less used than in the past. But then miasmatic toxicity from numerous other sources has definitely not let up!!

Anna, I'd be interested to know more about what you meant when you metioned the following below. Would you oblige? I would be most grateful. Basically I would like to understand this from a therapeutic perspective.

"About Hahnemann's view of treating poisoned cases, from Chronic Diseases pp.115-6 I think the idea is if the poisoning has gone further than to cause dynamic change, and has caused organic transformation, then homoeopathic treatment of the psora can only be an adjunct to a system of restful living aimed at supporting the vitality as it attempts to throw off the effects of poisoning.
This being so, it makes some sense that there are non-antipsorics listed by Boenninghausen for the treatment of mercury poisoning provided it has caused only dynamic changes, not organic ones".

Pete, You mentioned the use of Psorinum and Hepar Sulph as antimiasmatic. Do you have specific indications for using them? Why not Sulphur, or even Merc itself? Thank in advance.

Warm regards,
Doctorleela

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Doctorleela, thanks for your message alerting me to this.

To follow my thoughts you need to hand Chronic Diseases pp.115-6, Organon para's 74-76 (notably 76) and Boenninghausen's TT, rubrics on poisonings.

Starting with Organon para 76, Hahnemann states that homoeopathic remedies are only for the purpose of curing natural disease, and that drug-induced diseases must be cured by the vitality, with the aid of restful living and homoeopathic treatment "against any chronic miasm that might still be lying in the background". Even then, the cure of the drug-disease is not certain.

So, then I turned to Boenninghausen's rubrics on Mercury poisoning, and lo! there are non-miasmatic remedies listed. So I wondered what was going on, since Organon par76 states that homoeopathy cannot treat chronic poisonings, only support the vitality by attending to any miasms separate to the poisoning.

Part of the answer is that Boenninghausen's list includes remedies for acute poisonings.

The rest of the answer is in Chronic Diseases pp 115-16, where Hahnemann explains that the poisonings he was referring to in Organon para 76, which are not treatable by homoeopathy, are those where there is organic change, not merely dynamic.

So in addtion to being able to treat acute poisoning, homoeopathy can treat the intermediate state at which there is chronic dynamic but not yet organic alteration from poisoning.

Para 76 of The Organon explains why sadly we can often do so little for degenerative neurological conditions that have been caused by mercury poisoning.

Dear Anna,

Thank you for your explanation. My domestic situation at present has resulted in half my life and books ( Chronic Diseases - that I studied in depth, and Boenninghausen TT) lying in Bombay and my present half with reference books, etc now here in Chennai (Madras). But I will be returning To Mumbai (Bombay) in April on my husband's job transfer.

I'll cut and paste this post of yours so that I may refer to the sections you mention and understand it more deeply then. But I'm grateful for this explanation.

What has been you experience in using an "antimiasmatic" remedy specifically? What symptoms would you take into account? Especially in cases where there seem to be a combination of miasms (F/H, P/H, C/C), with a single one predominating.

Also I'm asking this with specific reference to a situation where a case that has been improving, suddenly there seems to have a block, or the "indicated remedy fails to act". Thanks.

I'll also look forward to what Pete has to say.

Warm regards,
doctorleela

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