For anyone who might be interested, I noticed that this Sunday 3rd Feb in the UK there is going to be a Panorama edtion on the MMR injection.
I think it is around 10pm.

Thanks Anna,
I wish I knew which channel in particular...we get BBC out here...would love to see this!
I'll keep an eye out for it....let us know what you think of it after you watch it, if it isn't too much trouble, please...

Best wishes,
Lisa

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Lisa, I hope you don't mind me butting in, but I saw this programme advertised and will be watching too! I have two young babies and tremendous pressure from doctors etc regarding jabs.

I found a link that you might like to look at and it is on the BBC!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/aud...ma/default.stm

Hi Pennie,
I don't mind...it's not my thread :razz: .
Wonder how you can get round it in UK though....are vaccines mandatory? Or are they voluntary? Best to find out what your legal stance is - so you can make your decision and stand firm either way.

Good luck..
and thanks for posting about this (again) Anna.

Lisa

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It's at 10:15pm, GMT on BBC1

They are asking - amongst other things - what if there is a measles epidemic if people stop vaccinating.
In my opinion, the answer is - not much - children would get uncomplicated measles and their parents would have to stay at home [time off work, not something the government likes] and look after them. Measles is not a dangerous disease in the developed world, unless complicated by vaccination.
There will always be a few problematic cases with complications in susceptible individuals, which competent homoepaths could deal with if only they were trusted to do so. The susceptible individuals are the ones who currently suffer the worst effects of the vaccine.

Anna,
Have you read any of Harris Coulter's books?
He talks about how a lot of diseases now are very complicated because of previous treatment, antibiotics (mainly penicillin and similar drugs), etc. (handed down from the parents to the child who is unvaccinated as well!! i.e. syphylis that is treated and not really cured...problems with detecting it in the secondary stages - hence undetected..and other factors such as vaccines skew the disease picture so now no one can always pick up a case of typical syphylis because it hardly exists anymore..........). I was reading Aids and Syphilis - the Hidden Link (I think that is the title).
It was interesting because it not only made me consider Syphylis but also other common diseases.

As you say - it boils down to susceptibility..but his books have given me a slightly different understanding on it. Wonder how it figures into the common childhood disease though. Not just vaccine use/damage..but antibiotics. There was enough sound information in that one little book alone, that made me realise I will never touch another antibiotic unless it is a truly life threatening situation where I have no access to my homeopath or remedies................Just chewing on all this of late...hope you don't mind my thinking out loud.

[ 31 January 2002, 21:23: Message edited by: LisaAnnan ]

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Hello Anna,
My 5 year old granddaughter has never been vaccinated. She has lived in the Philadelphia suburbs (New Jersey, US) and has been enrolled, without difficulty, in several pre-school programs and is now in public school as a kindergarten student. Her mother presents health records from the homeopath to the schools. New Jersey is one of the most highly populated (per acre) state and yet she has had no problems with enrolment at any school. New Jersey is also home to many huge drug companies. (You can imagine the push to vaccinate.) We were all rather surprised at how easy this was, as we had expected difficulties.

Lisa, re Coulter and his absolutely wonderful contribution to the homeopathic world....are you aware that he had a stroke and never recovered? The last I am aware of, he was attended to by nurses 24 hours a day. Isn't that a dreadful thing to have happened to such a wonderful proponent of homeopathy? Seems terribly unfair.

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As far as I am aware, vaccination in the UK is voluntary. About half the parents I know have unvaccinated children. They go swimming, to school, to gyms, etc.

Having said this, there is an awful lot of pressure brought to bear on those parents by the medical profession.

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No, gpm, I didn't know that. That is awful - very sad.

When did this happen??

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Lisa, I haven't read Harris Coulter's books, but I am a living example of what you cite.
I had the single vaccines as an infant.
Age 5 there was mumps going around and it only came out partially in me, and I am told I was never the same again.
Age 13 I contracted measles which damaged my visual acuity significantly.

I conclude, at least for myself that:

1. vaccines do not give immunity
2. diseases which are normally transient acute episodes, can cause lasting harm if they are adapted by vaccination.

I also personally met a child who is autistic (without speech) since the day of MMR vaccine, who had normal development including speech, up to that day.

Today there is a report on the news about an outbreak of measles in an area of London in which uptake of the MMR has fallen to 65%.
A parent was interviewed who said their child got the complication of pneumonia with measles which "almost reached the brain". They went on to say that they hadn't had this child vaccinated because they didn't have enough information about safety, but as soon as she was recovered they planned to have her vaccinated.

I hope the reporters will interview some parents who say "I don't know what all the fuss was about - it was a simple disease" - but then that's not news...