Anna, you can bet the news coverage will do what they can to support vaccinations, encouraging parents to be more "responsible" in their children's health care.

There is an abundance of data that confirms that vaccinations really don't work, just changes and moves things around, so that the next appearance of "dis-ease" is "new" and (supposedly) unconnected. (Sure.) I remember reading that the criteria for diagnosing polio was changed, so that the public wouldn't conclude the vaccinated population was still contracting polio following the massive inoculation programs.....it was diagnosed as a new "dis-ease".

Lisa, Julian Winston's Faces of Homeopathy makes mention of Harris Coulter having had a massive stroke in 1998, causing paralysis on his left side. It said, at the time of printing, he was no longer involved in homeopathic pursuits. Would love to hear from someone that he has improved since then.

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SO- did anyone see the progrmme last night?

I think it was pretty good and will make many more parents refuse the triple vaccine!

The doctor concerned has now gone to further his research in the US. Hopefully they will be ready to release more evidence soon.
The only case they used to demonstrate how dangerous measles can be was a very rare form.

It raised the question for me- where is the scientific evidence to prove that scientific evidence can be believed?

unfortunately looks like our Prime minister has done a U turn and had his baby son vaccinated!

I did see the programme (this morning), and it was more balanced than most I had seen.

However, at the end they attacked those doctors involved in speaking out for not following strick "scientific method". But, the links are clearly there.

The other matter that concerned me was the debate on tv (this morning) about how there has been a measles "outbreak" in London. Five children (if I remember correctly), but what is NOT reported is whether those children are vaccinated or not!!!

I was amazed however at the number of parents who rang in to the debate this morning saying they are prepared to reject MMR in favour of the single vaccines or reject vaccination altogether. What was also suprising, sadly so, was how every single person who rang in knew an autistic child.

However, Hoppitt, I will be watching GMTV this morning to see if Tony Blair has indeed decided to get Leo vaccinated. I seriously doubt he would have had the triple, more likely the singles. But, we'll see.

I think Panorama focussed a little too much on Andrew Wakefield, as well. What about those other doctors who speak out against it? It did appear a little like a witch hunt in that regard.

I was surprised however at the more assertive approach of the American Congressional Hearing. They seem quite determined to find the reason behind the rise in autism. Let's hope they *independently* fund research to find out the truth. Mind you, won't change the UK's mind much, will it?

Overall, I think the programme has placed the seed of doubt,and that can't be bad, can it?

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The point about the young man who ended up with the severe and rare complication from measles was that we were not told whether he had been vaccinated against measles. Since that disease came on slowly, and if it were a natural disease (not a result of complication by the vaccine)then there is every reason to expect that a good homooepath could have nipped it in the bud.

As was shown by the other young man who has suffered hugely from three separate measles vaccines (some single) the effect of the vaccination is swift. Often, as was reported in the programme the change is immediate, sometimes over a few months. Given that there are so many immediate cases of instant autism after the vaccination, I don't know how the government can defend it. It speaks against common sense. That case of the twin who became autistic overnight and now repeatedly gets a measles rash is hard to answer.

Like Simone I wish the public was made aware that vaccination is no guarantee against contracting the disease.

I am reminded of Organon para 74-76 in which Hahnemann states that allopathic treatments cause chronic diseases which are the most difficult to treat, that homoeopathy can only cure natural diseases and cannot heal the harmful effects of allopathy - the patient has to be given several years of undisturbed living and homoeopathic treatment of any chronic miasmatic disease in order to have the best chance of overcoming the allopathically-induced disease.

How I wished Panorama had interviewed me - about my own case or my daughter! Even my son!

I haven't seen the programme yet - it hasn't aired out here but hopefully will soon enough (we get BBC Prime and BBC World - news).

The Measles vaccine is useless for protecting against Measles. I had the vaccine every 5 years of my life (due to having one kidney and being told I was especially in need of it - along w/ the flu jab which I refused!). In 1997 (March 30th) I gave birth to my son. I was given the vaccine when he was a few weeks old. I contracted Measles (onset was slower than my children, interestingly enough) in July (he wasn't even 4 mos old yet.

Here's the kicker:
My son had NOT been vaccinated with MMR as he was too young at that point.

He caught Measles. Moderate case which ran its normal course with no complications!

My daughter who had been vaccinated (with one booster) was the worst case (maybe that was a good thing? that it came out so forcefully?)

And my case (we all broke out at the same time - or within a day of each other) came on slowly. Such that I wasn't sure I had it.

My son is healthy now (due to good homeopathic treatment).

My daughter is doing better than before - but has had problems and is still being treated.

My case is still being resolved. And, I firmly believe there is indeed a link with all those vaccines I had. I'm 37 - do that maths on how many.

Ironically - we all were exposed to Mealses in UK - in transit.

Oh - that was when I stopped vaccinating my children. My daughter never had the second booster (i.e. the third jab) nor any other vaccine since (and won't!).

My son has never had the MMR. Sadly, I wish I could have turned back the clock 4 mos though, because I wouldn't have allowed them to give him the BCG jab the day he came into the world.

Sigh...it's a subject which niggles me to no end.
It's all about money in a few evil people's pockets. And the idiots who can't see the forest for the trees (the evidence!) are just as guilty as the greedy jerks who lie and say they are safe.

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Thanks Anna,

My son hasn't had a seizure now since January 2001 (over one year now - yeah!)...and no more problems with worms either. Oh - he eats now whereas before we could hardly get the little mite to eat more than two bites of anything (even his favourites). In fact, he's a little pig at times (seems to eat more in those growth spurts).
He's put on weight and looks more healthy -- has grown like a weed in this past year!

BTW, he did have other vaccines; DPT, polio, BCG as I mentioned before, and HIB (meningitis)..but after the Measles experience we decided not to vaccinate anymore (any of us). Just realised after re-reading this it sounded like the only vaccine he had ever had was BCG. So, he didn't have some of the boosters....and I was hassled about the MMR, btw, but I stood firm and basically they wilted and left me alone (luckily).

I'm still keeping an eye open for the Panorama Programme...hopefully they will air it here soon!

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Lisa, it was very good to learn that your children are both doing well. I felt some relief when I read that.

I would just like to add to the for/against immunization debate.

My daughter's best friend was immunized last year for Rubella & has now been diagnosed with a severe case......& wouldn't you know it... my daughter is now 2 days behind her with rash etc.

I decided to stop immunization a few years ago, when my son got a "measles related rash" after his vaccinations.
It seems there is a family predisposition for the males who have had MMR to catch measles anyway. Another sister-in-law is thinking along the lines that her autistic son may be a result of MMR vaccine.

Our local health dept. is warning of Measles & Whooping cough "epidemics" again, (in children & adults - doing the huge guilt trip thing with tiny babies who wouldn't fit the vaccination criteria anyway)

- so what is the relevance of vaccinating if the children are catching the disease anyway?
And can anyone tell me why they are now telling us we have to re-vaccinate every couple of years, when it used to be for life?
Doesn't that suggest to someone that this is all not working?

Thankyou so much, Lisa, for posting the info about vaccination earlier.
I have passed it on to other like-minded thinking people who have appreciated it.

Here in London, ozzie, they are trying to convince people to have the MMR by reporting an outbreak of measles in South London (where the lowest uptake of the MMR vaccine exists).

What is VERY interesting to note is that they are NOT saying IF those children have been vaccinated, nor are they saying that they are the right age to have had the MMR.

Oh, yeah, the "outbreak" is 11 confirmed cases.

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And a few days before the London ' outbreak' they were reporting an outbreak in Glasgow which has the highest uptake (91%) in the UK.

Have they lost the plot ???