Wow, thanks gpm...as usual, you add so much when it comes to animals . Much appreciated.

BTW, I actually saw a video of a man being chased by the donkey. The donkey was actually trying to mount him ...it wasn't a photo. In any case, don't know what to make of it...but it doesn't matter now really...

Again, I appreciate everyone's input and think everyone pretty much agrees that anything between consenting adults is okay as long as both don't feel uncomfortable or violated in any way.

Lisa

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If homeopathy is based on natural system. Then may I ask here a question.

Is homosexuality a natural way of satisfying sexual urge?

I think perversion of sex in any kind is not natural. We should call that human being a patient. who is doing such habit.

I did not see any female cow doing sex with with female species.

Lisa told us here a story about running of animal after naked human being. It is one example and may not be apply on all animal species. That animal might be domestic animal who havn't lived in natural climate.

The information feeded in the BIOS (Computer Device) of animal are fixed. It cannot be changed. They will act naturally according to that BIOS. While in human being the information are not fixed. It depends upon the environment where that human being is residing. So human being will act according to that environment and not through its BIOS.

If we want to see what is right and what is wrong. As lisa is emphasizing upon her question. I will give here a click. Observe the general behaviour of animal species. If most of the animal are doing same thing. Then We may say it is natural else unnatural.

Then we can apply the same technique in human being. Homosexual is a symptom. We could treat the patient with any pathy. It is unnatural.

Natural sex is a natural urge. We should learn from the animals of the world. Remember not from only one species who residing near human environment. We should oberserve natural rules in wild life. What are animals doing? They are natural.

Many animals also kill or devour their own offspring, kill their own mates, eat their own waste, urinate on themselves or on their environment to mark territory, play with and torture their food before eating it. However natural this behaviour may be for them, it would be unnatural for human beings.

When a behaviour is part of a person's illness, then that behaviour will "cure" when on a remedy. I have never seen homosexuality disappear under treatment, nor have I ever seen a single case written up or discussed anywhere. I have only seen or heard of people who are swinging between the two choices become more comfortable choosing only one - and many times they may choose to be homosexual and be happy with it.

It is true some animals naturally choose partners of the same sex, although this is uncommon. However, people are not animals - we are something quite different. And many things we do - flying without wings, flying into space, creating nuclear explosions, war, cooking our food, creating works of art, writing down our thoughts, marriage, religion, wearing clothing - these might be seen as unnatural too. Does this make them pathology? Our intelligence creates a rather unique environment for us - for good and for ill.

Be careful treating patients out of prejudice - listen to the patient to see what is out of place and out of order. There is a natural morality - it will come when the remedies work in our patients - they become more decent, more honest, more tolerant - they do not become heterosexual as well. It is not part of a natural morality - it is an artifical one created by cultures with strong taboos about sex.

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HM, whoever you are:

What you know about animal behaviour, and human behaviour, is questionable.

There are thousands of species of animals which express their sexuality with same sex, as well as opposite sex, mates. This applies to animals across the board--microbes, insects, right on up to mammals. Heterosexuality is definitely not the only expression of sexuality in the world--animal or otherwise. That is just a fact.
Another fact: sexuality is not limited to the goal of reproduction alone. When you understand this, you will grasp why it is that sexuality is so complex. If it were only about making babies, it would be pretty simple, wouldn't it?

Having a bias about what is the correct or incorrect form of sexual expression is just another kind of prejudice. A form of hatred and repression against other human beings, that one usually adopts out of fear. THAT is pathological. This is something you must find some healing for before you can help any patient at all.

Healthy expression of sexuality is not pathological. Period.

Divina

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Well, that sums it up, then? Woody Allen?

Am I the only one who doesn't like him?? I can't stand him (we need a Gremlin which shows one vomiting ) or his boringgggggggg movies (okay, maybe one was okay, but for posterity's sake, I won't say which one ).

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I still appreciate all the responses on this thread....it has been very enlightening for me and hopefully others as well.

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I HAAAATE HIM TOOO!!!!!!!!

BLAHGH (VOMITING NOISES)

I would be very interested to find any written info on the hetero/homo sexuality of non human animals - does any exist?

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Its worse than a fidelity problem with woodpecker...possible, probably child molestation with his youngest daughter...age 3 or 4(aka..mia farrow's autobiography)

After that I wanted to puke too. Frank Sinatra called her one day and said..."want me to take care of him?"
She said no.

Thanks for the link Joy ...very informative.

BLAGH...still wretching over whatsisface, lol...

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"The significance of a fact is measured by the capacity of the observer."
Carroll Dunham

Like most people who make art--books, films, paintings--and probably like most people in general, Woody Allen has got some ugly aspects going on. He does have a yucky, questionable side (and to be fair, it is all honestly portrayed for all to see in his work, though I doubt he's aware of that till after-the-fact).

But he is funny, on occasion (and the quote above is a good demonstration of that). And I'd take any one of his movies over ANYTHING made by Disney and its megalomaniacal studio/tv/not even airplane rides are a safe place to hide from that garbage anymore!

Sorry--I've obviously been forced through a few too many historical revisions a la disney lately...now I'm can't be civil about it. That's what I call child molestation--on a massive scale...)

Divina

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