Dear Dr. Saboor,

I definately do apologize. I did not see any harm in it, many times people comment on things that are not part of the thread. You called me "he" and I used what I felt was a friendly, sociable way to say that I was a she. No harm meant. I was not sure if your question was about spelling or editing. I do apologize, but please enjoy life.

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Regarding the question circumference to center and center to circumference, my thinking never stopped even after the last mail sent to the discussion forum. I have mentioned it before that it appears to be a very tricky question to me. I have come up with another answer for it.

Here it goes; the question can be answered in this way as well.

Center to circumference is the direction of cure in the miasmatic diseases.

Circumference to center is the manifestation of the disease in chronic miasms.

Can there be any other possibilities of answer, if so please come forward with it.

So far it appears as if it is not a discussion forum I am taking part in, rather it is a monology I have indulged in. Been shooting a question myself and answering it myself.

Dr. Cartoon tried to help but lacked the required knowledge.

ARE THERE NO SERIOUS MINDED HOMEOPATHS AROUND TO TAKE PART IN A SERIOUS TALK/DISCUSSION?

There are quite brilliant people around, with their high talk about Homeopathy, yet either they don’t believe in the Miasmatic Theory of Hahnemann. It appears as if I was wasting my time on this web, hoping to learn more. What a fool I had been.

Can anyone answer me? Or is it possible to go for a referendum on this on to count votes in favour of First or Second answer, added with a little explanation of it in your words. Thank you.

Dear Kescah,
Apologies accepted.

Ricky,

Humiliation yes, but it is not for me. If I would have thought of myself being humiliated I should have showed the reaction otherwise. You see it is Homeopathy I am concerned with and not I. I don’t need any apologies for myself but for the sake of others so that no one in future tries to make a laughing stock of someone’s serious thread in a discussion that is Homeopathic. We all are good people and love Homeopathy. Don’t we?

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Dear Dr. Saboor,

I would not want to make a laughing stock of a serious thread. There is a difference between making a friendly comment and trying to humiliate anyone or make a laughing stock of someone or their work. That is why I took pains to clarify that I did not want to embarrass anyone. Perhaps, since you are on the other side of the world, there are some cultural variations in how things are done, and I would not want to insult the customs there, and gladly apologized.

I felt that you had made a correct point about miasm disease direction and cure direction, and therefore, was quite sure the question had been answered. You had gone on to ask another question, and so I thought you were of that opinion too. Anyway, if there is more to say on the point of direction, it will be interesting to hear. There is still room at the bottom of this page.

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Dr. Saboor
<blockquote>quote:</font><hr> There are quite brilliant people around, with their high talk about Homeopathy, yet either they don t believe in the Miasmatic Theory of Hahnemann.<hr></blockquote>

I think dr b responded very well to your question and tried his best to satisfy you. You should send email to her

Second point is

This discussion board is based on the following point <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Ask questions, raise matters of interest, and provide answers. <hr></blockquote>

You can see this quotation on the main discussion board. So you are not doing wrong. Asking question and providing answer in the same. This board is for share of knowledge. When somebody ask a question it does not mean that he/she does not know the answer. Actually by asking question we want to share our views with others. So dont be angry now.

You will definitly get answer for all your questions on this board.

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Dr. Saboor,

Miasm is the most controversial approach in homeopathy. It is just a hypothesis. Which is the first step in scientific procedure. Now those who have big philosophical thoughts can analyze from the following remarks.

So, for non of my threads are ruled out.

http://www.homeopathyhome.com/cgi-bi...17&t=000007&p=

Dr b said
<blockquote>quote:</font><hr> I have been working on this theory for years now and have found as many views on them as there are homeopaths. This theory(actually hypothesis) still needs a lot of work to get a general acceptability. <hr></blockquote>

Anna Bryant said
<blockquote>quote:</font><hr> Although, as you write, miasms are only a hypothesis, in practice they are useful for case analysis
<hr></blockquote>

Dr. b wrote <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>[b]Miasms are a useful concept. <hr></blockquote>[b]

Now you can see that we are calling miasm a theory but actually it is just a hypothesis. We by all means want to convert it into law. What a bogus thought.

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Dr. Saboor,

I am much confused now with the wording of drBhatia.Miasm is a theory but acutally a hypothesis. At one stage how could be a theory be remained hypothesis and how a hypothesis could be converted into theory?

Sir, I am really really really confused. Dr. Saboor tell us something about the above quoted quotation of dr Bhatia.

Dr. Cartoon,

I am not sure who are you. But you made my cartoon and try to put me down not on this bb but on internet. Now it is your turn.

Now you become serious to get some education from members over here. You will not be given any answer of your serious question.

Contact to Dr. Bhatia on mias forum for your quesion

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>I am much confused now with the wording of drBhatia.Miasm is a theory but acutally a hypothesis. At one stage how could be a theory be remained hypothesis and how a hypothesis could be converted into theory?

Sir, I am really really really confused. Dr. Saboor tell us something about the above quoted quotation of dr Bhatia. <hr></blockquote>

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Dear Kescah,
No need to be embarrassed anymore, should I say forget it please. Apologies accepted and the matter forgotten. We can be good friend/collogues/Knowledge seekers name it and I bet we will be.

Answars to the question are:
The question is based on the manifestation of the MIASM and not on the cure.

Psora is manifested in mind and appears on the skin that is an outward direction,
Gonorrhea and Syphilis make their first appearances on the outer surfaces of body, if spread or suppressed, they take an inwards direction.

This question can be answered in this way as well.

Center to circumference is the direction of cure in the miasmatic diseases.
Circumference to center is the manifestation of the disease in chronic miasms.

I asked the question if there could be any other possibilities of answer, if so please come forward with it. so far there has been no new answers to the question. I, understand that it could be replied only in two different ways and the answers have been provided. We are decided so we can proceed to the other matters at hand.

Dr. Mas.
“Miasm is the most controversial approach in Homeopathy. It is just a hypothesis. Which is the first step in scientific procedure.”
Dr b said
“I have been working on this theory for years now and have found as many views on them as there are homeopaths. This theory(actually hypothesis) still needs a lot of work to get a general acceptability.”

Anna Bryant said

“Although, as you write, miasms are only a hypothesis, in practice they are useful for case analysis.”

Dr. b wrote

“Miasms are a useful concept.”

“Now you can see that we are calling miasm a theory but actually it is just a hypothesis. We by all means want to convert it into law.”


Let us first of all find out the meanings of MIASM.

MIASMA
New Latin, from Greek, defilement, from miainein to pollute
Originated in 1665
Meanings:
1: a vaporous exhalation formerly believed to cause disease; also : a heavy vaporous emanation or atmosphere ( a miasma of tobacco smoke)
2: an influence or atmosphere that tends to deplete or corrupt ( freed from the miasma of poverty — Sir Arthur Bryant; also : an atmosphere that obscures : FOG ( retreated into an asexual mental miasma — Times Literary Supp.)
–miasmal adjective
–miasmatic adjective
–miasmic adjective
–miasmically adverb

In homeopathy when we use this word we mean the polluted effects of a suppressed disease by the conventional treatment. Dr. Hahnemann came out with it to denote the suppression of diseases of his time. Then he came out with the names of the miasms ei. PSORA, SYPHILIS AND SYCOSIS. According to Dr. Robin Murphy in an interview said and I quote:

Ninety percent of everything in the Organon is in the writings of Paracelsus and the school of medical alchemy. The school of medical alchemy was very strong and powerful throughout Europe. That's why medical doctors today still use the caduceus, the symbol of medical alchemy. Medical alchemy is a European term for Egyptian medicine. So I looked at Hahnemann's work and asked, where did he get that? And I found that he got it from Paracelsus, even though he sometimes denied it. Paracelsus had three philosophical principles - sulphur, mercury and salt. That was exactly Hahnemann's three miasms Psora, Syphilis and Sycosis.
The medical alchemists also had the archeus. The archeus was called the vital force, the whole concept of the energy body'. The medical alchemists also had Herring’s Law. One of the principles of medical alchemy is that you never move the disease towards the heart or the brain because that would make the person more sick; they had very interesting things to say about that. They also had a total pharmaceutical technique, trituration, potentisation, succussion - all of this is found in medical alchemy books. Paracelsus was the first known human on earth to write the words similia similibus curantur, Hahnemann did not write that; all that literature is written from the 1500s back to the 10th century. So where did the alchemists get this knowledge? In their tradition, they got it from Egypt and the founder of this whole system was Hermes, whom archaeologists say was a God. But look in the literature: he was a real person, he was a Greek who lived in Egypt and he has writings and texts and discourses and you can go and study his work in the Hermetica. The Hermetica was full of a lot of astrology, alchemy concepts and energy and cycles. All of this stuff is really fascinating, and I felt that this was the, roots' of homeopathy. The root of homeopathy was alchemy and that came from Egypt, the word alchemy means The Egyptian.
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It had been a long evening for me it is already too late for the bed, I am tired also as it is 0345 hrs. Rest will follow soon I promise. Till then bye.

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No more thought on this thread. I am waiting to read the comments.

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hello all, i am currently just beginning to study homeopathy and am new to this forum.
i don't have an answer or a variant thought on Dr. Saboor's question, however i am curious about one statement in something Dr. S. quoted.
In comparing Psora, Syphilis and Sycosis to Sulphur, Mercury and Salt, would that be then stating that they are the concurrent cures for those miasms? In which case would that be conversely stating, for example, that someone with a Natrum Mur constitution is inherently imbued with sycosis?
i am confused, please respond.

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