I have been following many posts where you have suggested antidotes to remedies that have been given. I have heard of giving antidotes to a remedy depending on the symptoms that need to be antidoted and in this case one would choose a suitable one from "Clinical relationships" by P sankaran. Is this what you are doing or do you have a knowledge of that certain remedies antidote others. If the latter could you please post them on this thread for my education and that of others. E.g you wrote that Nat Mur was the antidote to Carc. Thanks

[This message has been edited by Ricky (edited 26 October 1999).]

In most cases natr antidotes carc, but not always, individualization rules, each case must be somewhat monitored, and you use the remedy in each case that fits the present picture best, at any given time.
That natr mur is a antidote to carc, is merely A MARK, on a little notepad that you have, reminding you that in most cases it is this who works, but do not thrust blindly in that, that can be a fatal mistake to do, indivvidualize, ALWAYS.
Do not fool yourself to think that it is a easy way out, that a mental picture you see, have given you the remedy, in most cases it gives you a distorted vision of the patient, you need to know science theorie, it will tell you of this problematic, so always repertorize a picture, and use spontane bodysymptomes, the body dont lie, and the spontane symptomes the body present, is often clear cut, and is not interpreted by you or the patient.
Saying Aou.... when you cut your finger is sutch a spontane, clear symptome.
Begin to interpret that, and you end up looking for a rubric that dont exist, as, a knife, cause to..that is trying to treat the knife insted of the patient....if you qiute can follow what i try to tell.

I try not to interpret what the patient is saying.
Can you out of interest give us some more remedies and their possible antidotes. I have never had to antidote the effects of a remedy yet.
I notice that you often tell people to antidote using Camphor. Is this in potency or a sniff at MT?

[This message has been edited by Ricky (edited 26 October 1999).]

The antidotes for most of the remedies are given in the Kent's Repertory in the back in the section 'Relationship of Remedies'. If that is what you are looking for.

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Dear Ricky,

Here Is a simplified Thought, as presented by Jayasuria.

(1) 2 remedies which have similar or parallel actions (often) antidote each other.

(2) Inimical remedies antidote each other. (they should not be used for therapeutic antidoting).

(3) 2 (or more) remedies, which are complimentary, may antidote each other, if used serially at short intervals. (A complimentary remedy cannot be inimical ;except Nitric acid, which is both complimentary and inimical to Lachesis.)

(4) Different potencies of the same remedy may antidote each other, particularly if the potencies differ widely on the scale of dilution.

(5) A potentized remedy may be antidoted by the natural substance taken orally as food or drink at the same time.

(6) Homeopathic nosodes may be antidoted by the isopathic immunization of the patient with a similar vaccine.

(7) THE ESSENCE OF THE HOMEOPATHIC CURE IS A MECHANISM OF ANTIDOTING THE DIS-EASE WITH THE SIMILLIUM.

The carc/nat-m relationship is that of follow-well/collateral relationship. It is not 'antidoting' in the proper sense; but rather more of diverting selected symptoms.Yet carc has this with other remedies = alum,arg-n,ars,ars-i,calc-p,dios,[lach,lyc (also antidote to carc)],med,nat-m,nat-s,nux-v (also antidotal to carc),op,phos,psor,puls,sep (also antidotal to carc,especially when there is indifference,sadness),staph,sulph,sul-ac,syph,tub(s).

I did not mean to interrupt ; seeing you were asking GM specifically; Yet hope this helps.

No i have no more comment, and i was not implying any either, it was a general to all who reads.
I agree completely with what John have posted, this i follow.

Thank you John as that is what I was getting at. I have been taught that the antidotes that are iving in Sakaran ( As well as Kent's Rep and others) don't antidote completely but only certain parts of the remedy that has been gibven and you choose the antidote depending on the part of the remedy action you want to antidote. ( I hope that is clear) It is just that GM seems to always use the same remedies to antidote others and therefore I was asking if he knew somethink different.

Can someone please answer my query about Camphor? As I have said I have not as yet found a reason to want to antidote any remedies that I have given but I am sure I will one day so want to have the information ready!

Things are not always what they seem to be.

Dear Johnstanton

would you be so kind to explain the mining of inimical remedies: i know they don't have to follow each others, but i don't know what effects experiments gave.
Can they be administered with a "bridge" (a remedy in the middle).
The concept of "inimical" applies to all diluitions and potency?
And if you feel to give an "inimical" do you have to antidote the first remedy given?

What is the difference between "diverting" and "antidoting": are the antidotes given in MM antidoting remedies or diverting remedies?

I hope you will have a bit of time to answer, if not, where can i check these?
Thank you in advance

Dear Dany,

Inimical relationships are disruptive ; but yet it all depends upon the individual in question. Caust before phos have an inimical/follow well relationship and phos to caust have a inimical relationship; symptoms and circumstances dictating which.If torn between caust or phos and feel that it is definitely 1 or the other , then give caust 1st.Trust the symptoms to guide; always will; yet we do not always see so clearly.

You can give an inimical remedy without a bridge or an antidote , if ample time is allowed , allowing to the duration of the remedy given; also considering if there was a response or not. If need to give immediate, then antidote (which you may call a haphazard bridge).If torn between 2 remedies and unsure, then pick the remedy that best covers the picture, to your knowledge; but take into consideration your follow-up if no response from 1st; Here is where one must consider what relationship the 2 remedies have; plan accordingly. For example if torn between calc and cal-p (for whatever reason),then give calc-p 1st; because calc will antidote any good you may have received from calc-p, (this is if both have equal statis in this particular case; and when calc seems a better choice but not 70%-100% certain)

I use the word 'diverting' to indicate the carrying away/guiding a group of symptoms (however large) to an area that is in the direction of 'ease'. Antidoting is stopping all action at a particular point, (sometimes to induce a relapse/cease action).

Again, symptoms dictate our choices.