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Old 29th June 1999, 02:24 AM
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I'm searching the net for some time now (on behalf of a loved one)to get any information about the potential usefulness of homeopathy in the case of heroin addiction.
Contacting one practioner, he proved to be
only vague on the subject.
Can anyone help me or advise, if there is
much point in persuing my search for possible homeopathic treatment.
Many thanks,
Gernot
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Old 29th June 1999, 10:40 AM
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You can treat sucsessfully a person who wants to quit habits, but the underlying cause to the problem must be found, and errraticated, treated, and that involves a bit pshycologi, homeopatic that is, not ordinary.
A very difficult job, with uncertain prognosis.

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Old 7th July 1999, 11:42 AM
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Sorry GM I disagree, it is not so difficult, if you first antidote the haroin - with for instance opium or morphium and then indeed give the constitutional treatment. When I was still living in Amsterdam, where I originate from, I treated many addicts for their habit with very good results. But the willingness to stop must be there too, otherwise it is indeed very uncertain.
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Old 7th July 1999, 04:37 PM
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BEN!
The willingness whas what, i am talking about, you seem to misunderstand, if you read my post once more, you will find that we dont disagree at all. But i am saying that you have a possibility of leading the will too, got that? Find that easy? Then you must live with the addict!

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Old 7th July 1999, 04:52 PM
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PS.
If you read organon, you will find that Hahnemann did give advice about lifestyle too, he found it worthless to treat if the lifestyle and the surrounding enviroment and circumstancis was the cause to the problem, without giving advise about those causes, and how to avoid them.
So, if a pshycological causation is found in the sosiecty/enviroment, you just try to eraticate that homeopatically as you seem to understand it, by medication,(correct me if i am wrong), and that will imply sutch idiotic measures like trying to medicate the watersupply for a whole community, like in the terrorist movies.Get real!
Its your duty as a homeopath to advise and know about this, no less, so get updated!
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Old 8th July 1999, 03:33 AM
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GM, I am certainly not planning to medicate the watersupply, nor did i implicate such, so please stick to the issues. Yes tou are right, the willingness is the first requirement. I did not read your reply carefully enouhg, sorry. Habits among the addict can only be removed if he removes himself out of that 'scene.' But that is self-evident, so i did not mention it, assuming that Gernot knew this. If he is so sensible as to ask for help, he should be aware of that. I feel that his first priority is to get his dear one off the stuff, which is really the issue here. After that I am sure he will do his utmost to keep him away from the 'scene.' So Gernot, what do *you* say?
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Ben.
You Still cant read, or are unwilling to understand in your superiority!
You are behaving like a journalist, was that your first occupation?
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Old 11th July 1999, 05:11 AM
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Thank you, GM and Ben Rozendal (and the two other respondents) for your interest in my post.
What I didn't intend is the resulting match between you both.
However, it gives me some genuine hope for the 'patient' concerned and I'll try to get him 'constitutionally' assessed, as I'm aware that there is little chance of success, if using your both suggested remedies without the constitutional one.
Also, recent feedback has strongly indicated, that the patient is "genuinely" trying to 'get out of the hole' he is in,
which is mutually recognized as being a prerequisite to any course of treatment. And I hope that this will clarify
to some extent, the substance of your recent exchanges.

As you may wonder about my own relevant background; let me say, that I'm an enthusiastic layman - follower on the subject of homeopathy for close to twenty years now. This interest was triggered at a time when I suffered from renal failure and eventually received a kidney transplant, which has served me extraordinarily well for over 17 years now.
And yes, I attribute this success story and relative good health, in part to homeopathy, to which I resort everytime I start feeling ill. And I'm as sure as can be, that I would not work in my job as a building contractor anymore, had I relied, over the years, on the advice of my (otherwise marvellous) medical doctors only.
In regards to my hobbies - well I'm a consumate reader, and Kent's 'Lectures On Homoeopathic Materia Medica'and his 'Repertory' are being consulted whenever the need arises.
Hopefully, I haven't depleted your attention span by now.

Regards, Gernot




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Old 13th July 1999, 03:33 AM
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Dear Gernot,
Your post touched my heart, as I have 2 loved ones who know too much about heroin; one addicted for 18 years. He went through many withdrawl and recovery programs, only to return again to use. It is important, I think, to consider how one feels with the administration of heroin that makes it so desirable. (On the street, the dealer says "this is going to make you well").I have been told by those who use heroin that it produces a wonderful euphoria. Which tells me the person desiring this state is far away from euphoria---miserable, suffering, disconnected? I agree with comments made that the user has to desire change, but I am also an astrologer and know there are optimun times for that and times that it does not originate from the user and it will be a struggle with a questionable outcome. The loved one with 18yrs. using experience was able to quit when his dear friend, a US rock star, overdosed and died during a concert tour. They had made a pact to go into rehab when he returned. I asked him one question, "what is the best outcome that could come from his death; what would he tell you?'' He began a long haul to being clean; now has a stable relationship, is gardening and remodeling his own home, and works very hard in physical labor-all of which focuses his high energy level. Second user was helped by the first to kick. I hope this worked. I sent along flower esence "Self Heal" (Prunella Vulgaris) to promote a soul's belief that they can become whole again, and a gem essence, Black Tourmaline, to release negative energy and provide protection: to help with the horrible dreams and violent hallucinations he was having in the withdrawl phase. Also epsom salt baths, for the musucle spasms. From what was reported to me of the 5-6 day withdrawl period,it was not that terrible. Blessings. This is a wretched addiction. Counseling and honest communication between you and your loved one are so important. It is almost so important to keep the love there; and the faith that they can get past this, no matter how difficult it is to maintain your faith. I hope this goes well. ceross

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Gernot. get gallvardins book on those subjekts, it is very helpfull, but do also read a bit of c g jung.
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