Hello Lisa, you help is needed please on the topic about Kent's grading of repertory symptoms.

The book which might be able to help resolve the question is Kent's Minor Writings, and I think I remember that you have a copy.

Please, if you have time, could you look up to see if there is anything there that Kent wrote about the grading of symptoms in Kent's repertory?

Thank you.

Absolutely .

I saw that thread and thought to look for the book - and research it, but got sidetracked (as usual)....

But, I'll go have a search for it now.

If you know of any specific paper or article he wrote - please tell me the name.....the index is not as helpful as one might think .

You are talking about the Gypser book, right??

Lisa

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Okay, I'll just list the table of contents here and anyone can help me out....sheesh, it is a lot of reading and I haven't the faintest idea where to start. (In the meantime, I will peruse various 'chapters' to see if it is applicable in any way).
(*my comments)

Introduction
Aspermatism
Cases in Practise
Picric Acid
Floating Cartilages in the Knee Joint
Vaccination
Opening Address at the Hom. Med. College of Missouri, Oct 8, 1883
Diphtheria
Three Peculiar Cases
Tarantula Cubensis
Clinical Notes
Malarial Fevers - Therapeutics
Clinical Notes (*there are two consecutively)
Clinical Notes
Totality and Individuality
Clincial Notes
Murex - Sepia
A Case of Chronic Arthritis
Clinical Notes
Kali - Bichromicum
Cicatrix Removed by Medicine
The Simillimum
Surgical Therapeutics
Mammary Tumor Cured with Carbo an
Revision of Our Materia Medica
Emergencies - Euthanasia (*this ought to be interesting)
Clincial Notes - Dysmenorrhoea
Clincial - Bronchial Catarrh
An Urticaria Appearing Annually
Some Clinical Notes
Involuntary Stools - Phosphorus
Resembling Acute Bright's Disease
Idiosyncrasy
Phobias
Dymenorrhoea
Therapeutics of Cerebro Spinal Meningitis
Hints to Specialists
The Undeveloped Case
What Shall We Do when the Law Fails?
What Shall We Do when the Law Fails?
What is Homeopathy
Homeopathy; Its Fundamental Principles Outlined
Case of Eczema - Mezereum
Culex Musca (Mosquito)
Natrum Sulphuricum and Sycosis
How to Study the Repertory (*nothing in this one)
Clinical Cases
Clinical Cases
President's Address
Clinical Cases
Verifications
Reply to Dr Hughes
Characterisitics in Throat Diseases
Verifications
Abrotanum: With Clinical Cases
The Second Prescription
The SStudy of Our MM
Characteristic Symptoms
Verifications
How Symptoms Change
Magnesia Phos. - Menstrual Neuralgia
A Criticism of Dr Holmes
Verifications: Clinical Notes
Naja Tripudians
How to Study the MM: How to Use Boenninghausen's Concordance (*mmm, going to look here in a minute)
Pure Homeopathy Defended
The Healing Principle
Homeopathic Aggravations
Alternation as Practised by Hahnemann
The Second Fault
Clinical Notes
A Model Cure
A Study in MM
Clinical Notes
The Action of Drugs as Opposed by the VF
Managements of Displacements without Mechanical Support
Proving of Cenchris Controtrix (Copperhead)
Clinical Cases
Epithelioma
Ovarain Tumor Cured with Lycopodium
Diabetes Mellitus Cured with Phosphorus
Uterine Hemorrhage
Threatening Tuberculosis
Paralysis
Notes from the Clinic
The Trend of Through Necessary to the Application of the Homeopathic MM or a Rational Use of Curative Agents
Wyethia
What the People Should Know
A Case of Abdominal Tumour
Treatment of Domestic Animals
Scattered Links
Editorial
Clinical Cases
Clinical Reminiscences
Clinical Reminiscences
Natrum Sulp in Symptoms Arising after an Injury to the Head
Clinical Note on Pulsatilla
Haemophilia - Lachesis
The Patient's Diet
The Basis of Future Observations in the MM, or How to Study the MM
Typhoid Fever
Editorial
Diphtheria
The Homeopathic MM
Illustrations of Complementary Relationship
How to Use the Rep.
Vaccination
The Symptoms and Aspects of Such Cases as Present an Unfavourable View and Cause an Unfavourable Prognosis
A Case of Hystero-Epilepsy
The Admin. of the Remedy
Clinical Cases
Clinical Cases
Tuberculinum from a Sluaghtered Cow
Clinical Cases
Hypericum with Comparisons in Surgical Cases
A Crue Made by Pcric Acid
Temperaments
Caulophyllum
Ferrum Arsenicum
Kali-Arsenicosum
Observations Regardint the Selection of the Ptoency
Representative Symptoms
Alumina Sil
Calc Sil
Kali Sil
Alumina Phos
Ars Sulphuretum Flavum
Aurum Ars
Aurum Iod
Aurum Sulph
Barium Iod
Barium Sulph
Calc Iod
Ferrum Iod
Kalu Mur
Natr Sil
Sulph Iod
Zincum Phos
Clinical Verifications
Two Cases
Cases Cured by Homeopathic Treatment
The Trend of Thought Necessary for the Comprehension and Retention of Homeopathy.
The Plane of Disorder and Cure
Correspondence of Organs, and Direction of Cure
How to Use the Rep
Homeopathic Prescribing
An Address Preliminary to the Study of Homeopathics
Successful Prescribing - The Essential
The Making of a Man
The President's Address
The View for Successful Prescribing
Editorial
Temperaments
Classification of Constitutions Useless in Prescribing
Address of the President
A Cradiac Patient
Series in Degrees
Landmarks of Homeopathy
Severe Maladies
The Language of the Rep
Gall Stone Colic Cured
Homeopathic Cures after Previous Failure
Serious Disorders Removed
Cure of a Cancer Patient
Tarentula
Kali Patients
A Rheumatic Patient
President's Address
Chronic Disorders Promptly Cured
The Development and Formation of the Repertory (* nothing here about the grading of symptoms but interesting nevertheless)
Clinical Cases
Hamamelis Virginica
Bibliography
Alphabetical List of Articles
Index
Appendix

Right...off to read the couple that caught my eye whilst typing this out....and to take a break...gotta neck think going on and can't sit for too long with a break.

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Just one quick post and I'm off ....

Referencing the Chapter called: "How to Study the MM: How to Use Bnhsn's Concordance"

There is nothing in reference to the grading of symptoms, but I thought the last lines in this would be of interest - as it would seem Kent greatly respected Boenninghausen and his work!:

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Why is it that Boenninghausen's book is out of print? Simply because Hahnemannian homeopathy has not been taught. Nothing would please me more than to see the republication of this grand work. This book enables men who know how to study it, to cure the sick.<hr></blockquote>

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I have rifled through this book and found nothing regarding the grading of symptoms - and what Kent's thinking may have been in regard to his repertory.

There is one chapter that tells how he came to even compile a repertory though (although again, there is nothing in there about the gradings....but he was heavily into reading Jahr's work - and used that along with Boenninghausen, Boericke and I think it said Nash as well...maybe a couple of others too...). It would seem he did it for his own use - and someone else saw it and said, "Hey - that would be VERY useful - how about printing it"....anyhow getting it printed wasn't an easy or inexpensive task at the time - and he paid heaps of money out of his own pocket, but not before getting an idea of how many people would want one.

The Repertory was first published in sections - and a few people said it wasn't what they thought it would be so they cancelled 'future' publications. (It was published in sections - i.e. Mind, Eyes, etc) But most stuck with him - and then it was finally published in a whole book (though I'm unclear when this happened in relation to the first edition).

I found the history interesting, but sadly no comments whatsoever on gradings and how he came to use only 1-3 instead of 1-5...but then Jahr heavily influenced him along with Boenninghausen.

If it is of great interest to anyone, I'll type out this particular chapter....just let me know.

All the best,
Lisa

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My goodness Lisa, what a lot of work! What dedication to the list. Is this your abbreviation: "Bnhsn's" If so I can't blame you!

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Yes, Kescah, "Bnhsn" was an abbreviation for Boenninghausen...

I have OCR - it takes longer to get it to recognise certain scripts/fonts (and the subsequent time it takes to correct everything it doesn't recognise!) than it does for me to actually type it out.NOT that I asked for ANY advice or comments about typing it out.

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Hi folks,

Is this what you're after?

"Now as to the grades. The value of symptoms is divided into three grades. General symptoms are divided into three grades, first, second and third, and common symptoms and particular symptoms are divided into the same three grades. You will see in Boenninghausen a fourth grade, but as a matter of fact these remedies do not form a grade; they are only probationary remedies, requiring demonstration by reproving and clinical confirmation.

The general symptoms of the first grade are such as all or the majority of provers state of themselves as a class of provers. For instance, take that symptom of Apis, "suffocation in a warm room;" all the provers of Apis, or nearly all were affected to a great extent in that way. All the provers of Pulsatilla were worse in a warm room. There can be no doubt about such symptoms for all the provers felt that state so strongly. Kali-hyd., Pulsatilla, Iodine and Apis are among those that have that symptom in the first grade, worse in a warm room, suffocation in a warm room. Now when those symptoms which have existed as generals among the provers come into the experience of the practitioner, and are confirmed by curing those states extensively, wherever adminstered, for years, then these remedies are fully entitled to this grade. When only one prover has recorded a certain symptom, it is doubtful whether that is a symptom from the action of the remedy, but when several provers have recorded the same symptom it becomes confirmed. When that symptom has been removed or cured by the remedy in the hands of a physician, it can then be said to have been verified. So symptoms are (1) recorded, (2) confirmed by reprovings, and (3) verified upon the sick. When several provers have observed that Puls. is worse in a warm room, and this is confirmed by other provers, and then verified by cure upon the sick, it immediately places Pulsatilla in the first grade of that general state. Suppose that it were something that was in relation to the bladder; Puls. has a symptom of frequent urination; now, that is immediately classified as a particular symptom because it relates to a region. Now, if all of these provers had irritable bladder when they took Puls. that would be a confirmation of it, and if it cures for years experience verifies it and it is then placed as belonging to Pulsatilla under the particulars, and marked in the highest grade. So with the symptom of bearing down, which also comes under Pulsatilla; that would be classed as a common symptom, but of the first grade.

Suppose now that there are more symptoms that have only been brought out by a few of the provers; they do not run through the whole family of provers, but they have been confirmed and occasionally verified; then you see they are not entitled to so much consideration and as a matter of degree they belong to the second grade, because not so strong as the first grade, which produces these symptoms upon everybody or nearly everybody. Of course, what is true of the generals will be true of common and particular. Then as to the third grade. Mow and then a prover brings out a symptom and it has not yet been confirmed by reproving, but it stands out pretty strong, and seems to be worthy of a third place, or it has been verified by having cured sick folks, or on the other hand it is admitted as a clinical symptom. Sometimes close and careful observers have noticed that certain symptoms, not in the proving, have generally yielded to a certain remedy, and others have confirmed this clinical experience; these symptoms are admitted to go into the third grade. A great many of Boenninghausen's fourth grade symptoms really belong to the third grade, because Boenninghausen was very cautious with the symptoms that had never been verified. His fourth grade remedies include such as he had gathered from his clinical experience, and he was doubtful about the propriety of placing them in the third grade, and also those symptoms that occurred in the provers but had not proper confirmation or were not verified. He laid them, as it were, upon a shelf for approbation, to be hereafter proved or accepted."
'Lectures On Homoeopathic Philosophy', James Kent, pages 250-252

Chris,
I have two copies of Lectures on Homeopathic Philosophy...one 1979, one 1967...each has only 244 pages, however I do remember reading exactly what you printed and had done a quick searh in 'Lectures' myself...what is the Lecture number of this piece?
Denise