Thought I'd get off my butt and let you guys know what was happening with my headaches. I stayed on the birth control pills and was fairly fine u ntil I started coming up on mid-cycle (around day 10 or 11) and then the headache started to re-appear. Same pain starting at the base of my sckull and trying to move upwards. I got pissed and imeadiatly stopped taking the BC pills and the headache went away. Everything would be a ll peachy except now I'm back to the reason why I went on the Pill in the first place. Bad cramps and backache with Ovulation. Starting about day 13 (I've been having long cycles cause I'm still nursing) I got the backache and cramps, followed by more ovualtion muccus than any one person needs in their lifetime :-(.
The cramps are more of a horrible dull ache that feels better with heat and pressure but worsee with moving around. If I can laay still with a hot water bottle under me I can almost make them stop. Once I get up the backache comes, the cramping starts and I get to slog around in soggy underwear. The muccus is so heavy that I've really got to use a pad and I'm using almost as many as I do with my period (which BTW I dont usually have cramps with). This lasts usually 5-6 days.
So now my head doesnt hurt but I've got this to deal with and neither is desirable. There's got to be some compromise!

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Now that you are no longer suppressing the menstrual symptoms your Vital Force is currently expressing - maybe your case can be helped instead of palliated (which is really just short-term suppression). Need I say suppression is dangerous?

Taking birth control pills is certainly no answer to the problem you describe above - the BCP's were merely suppressing your symptoms.

So, what now?

Is there any possibility that you can find a homeopath you could see in person? As this would be the best option for optimal care and treatment.

The aim now would be to get good constitutional treatment so that these issues you've posted about (menstrual) could be sorted - back to normal periods!! Will this be a quick fix? Probably not. But certainly better for your overall health, in the long run!!

As for compromise - there is no compromise for good treatment, Jennifer . There is no compromise in the Principles of Homeopathy and the treatment carried out under said Principles, contrary to what some say and allude to on this BB.

I'm sorry you're not feeling well and hope that you will endeavour to get proper treatment and stay off those BCP's.

If it is any comfort, I've made very good progress and my own menstrual symptoms are pretty much gone now (occasional cramps and mild at that) after 6 months of proper care (along with a host of other symptoms).

All the best,
Lisa

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Carroll Dunham

Hi Jennifer,

Delighted to red your update, and yes things look very much clearer now with your history.

I will not really be able to stick my neck out and claim that Nat Mur was your constitutional, as I mentioned before, as I would always prefer a very detailed history that I always take before handling a case.

But I would partly disagree with Lisa if she feels that making a good prescription along with good management is not possible on the internet. I have had enormous success in my personal cases. Basically I have been forced into this method of practice in the recent past. There definitey is a place for it, I have now realised. Maybe there also is something else (in art and talent) required in the practitioner to be sucessful in this too.

So whatever you decide to do, yes you need to have you're entire history taken, personally or on the internet, followed by a good constitutional management of your case over an extended period of time.

All the best.

WArm regards,
doctorleela

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Dr Leela, WHERE in my post did I say "a good prescription along with good management is not possible on the internet"?

Read my post again, please. If you disagree with me (which is fine with me ) then please don't misquote me or misinterpret what I said.

Are you saying prescribing over the internet is the FIRST option a patient should go for?

In my opinion, and a lot of others as well, it should be the LAST resort in cases where patients have NO OTHER alternative and badly need help. (which may indeed be the case with Jennifer)

There are indeed many people who have had no-so-good-results ranging to downright dangerous by having followed erroneous prescriptions on the internet - prescriptions that were 'suggested' without having taken FULL case histories (and this is not directed at you personally but a general thought process ) - which is downright irresponsible and could be dangerous in some cases.

Would you disagree that some cases on this very BB would do better with a practitioner in person - to monitor it properly and carefully??

One cannot possibly glean everything from a paper case - full stop. And, how could one when one cannot SEE the patient - their gestures, mannerisms, etc. or HEAR their patients' - OBSERVATION? And this especially applies to such cases where there is deep pathology!!

So, while you and others may be able to help some cases on the internet (which is great, nice, helpful, sweet, laudable, etc), there ARE cases which should NOT be treated without a full consult, face to face, in person and proper management/follow-up.

I'm not saying this is the case for Jennifer, but I AM saying that she should at LEAST consider finding someone to do this IN PERSON as a FIRST resort, or even a second or third - and only post here as a last resort. Why?

Because the cases here are not always followed-up properly. The practitioners have no responsibility for these cases - hence, are not liable if anything goes wrong - and answer to no one but themselves. Does that mean that their intentions are not good?

No. Absolutely not.

But, you know the old saying:

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

One would hope that all the practitioners who help on this BB and any other similar internet forum - would set some sort of criteria for themselves; one which draws a line between cases they can truly help, follow-up and manage properly - and those which need face to face consultation. Of course, this involves knowing our own limititations and being honest with oneself.

Lastly, if one seeks treatment here without seeking the wiser alternatives first, then they are taking a risk. It's a roll of the dice. There is no criteria for homeopaths who practise on the internet. There is no liability. There is no recourse for patients. Like I said above, this doesn't mean that those willing to help out don't have the best of intentions.........

Sincerest regards,
Lisa

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&lt;&lt;Now that you are no longer suppressing the menstrual symptoms your Vital Force is currently expressing &gt;&gt;

Well it's not doing it any more than it was when I went on the BCP's to try and stop this. I cant spend a week out of every mo nth doubled over in pain just to let my Fertility Express it'self. It was never bad like this before my second son was born, I have no idea why it's so bad now
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&lt;&lt;Is there any possibility that you can find a homeopath you could see in person? As this would be the best option for optimal care and treatment.&gt;&gt;

I can, mine would, had I any money to offer him That's why I'm here picking brains. Just spent what money I had doing NAET for my 7yo (and got great results for the most part).

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<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Well it's not doing it any more than it was when I went on the BCP's to try and stop this. I cant spend a week out of every month doubled over in pain just to let my Fertility Express it'self. It was never bad like this before my second son was born, I have no idea why it's so bad now. <hr></blockquote>

YES, the BCP's DO suppress symptoms amongst other nasty things in our bodies. BCP's are bad for us!! Full stop. You didn't STOP ANYTHING while on BCP's - you suppressed it which is dangerous. If you don't believe me - then please read up on suppression. You can go to Homeoint and there are all sorts of source materials there.

You say it is no worse than before you tried the BCP's - well, that is GOOD - lucky you - because if you were to carry on suppressing symptoms - it WOULD GET WORSE. Mark my words - heck, go check out the literature on this very subject for yourself - don't take my word for it.

You said " I cant spend a week out of every month doubled over in pain just to let my Fertility Express it'self."

No one is asking you to endure pain (believe me, I have much sympathy for these problems).

The symptoms your body is expressing NOW - OFF the BCP's - are THE symptoms which will be important in your case (NOT any symptoms which you would express while on BCP's). Try to stay off them - hang in there and you will see results eventually .

I hope you get sorted ,
Take care,
Lisa

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Carroll Dunham

My dear Lisa,

You certainly sound well wound up for an argurment! No offense taken at all. I agree with what you have said in your second post and I did not really completely disagree with what you said in your first.(Maybe I misinterpreted).

SO I'll just clarify what I meant. There is certainly a 'first' place for internet prescribing. But YES, One has to have clinical judgement on which cases on should accept and wise to treat on the internet. Very often, my personal patients have simply INSISTED that I treat some of their relatives inspite of explaining to them the risk involved. So those patients I ask them to keep in close touch with a general practitioner who knows their case and si sensitive to homoeopathy as well as ready to help out when examination is required or allopathic interference necessary.
YES I DO TAKE PRECAUTIONS.

Certainly I do not agree with a lot of prescriptions made here. I also see people trying to manage cases which they do not have the basic medical knowlege to handle, as well as no understandng of the medical condition and fire off remedies. I refrain from involving myself, that's the best I can do. Finally the responsibility rests with the patients themselves.

But I can assure you, when I take up any case I take up a lot responsibility, as here we are dealing with peoples lives. I responded to your post, as in Jennifer's case, I was the (only)practitioner involved in prescribing for her (if you'll take a good look), and I feel responsible for her prescription, in a strong sense. I did mention that I was not sure that Nat Mur was her constitutional without a complete history.I would like the best for her too, and she has the right to decide the best alternatives.

Just to set the record straight, I'm not disagreeing with you about your advise to her. Just the capacity of internet prescriptions and that of the practitioner.

Warm regards,
doctorleela

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Dr Leela, I'm not 'wound up for an argument' at all. I've just seen too many cases in recent months (as you yourself stated above) that have been willy-nilly prescriptions on the BB. Hence, my posts. And, no offence was meant toward you or anyone else -- but if it were taken - then quite honestly, it isn't my issue. I'm not angry or annoyed - but concerned.

As I said before, none of this was directed at you personally. And yes, I had noticed that you had participated in Jennifer's case before (soley). And obviously you are trying to be as careful as possible now. My only contention with you initially (in Jennifer's case when she first began posting) was your opinion on BCP's - that it was okay for her to stay on them...your opinion on it astounded me - since you are a Homeopath. (I wonder what you think about vaccination/immunisations? Nevermind - that is another topic altogether .) Now, you tell her today, that "things look very much clearer now with your history" (rightly!). Why is that? BECAUSE she stopped the BCP's.

I understand your criteria that you talked about above - with regard to taking on patients via email or the internet. And as I said before, I never said it couldn't be done - just that we have to be careful, responsible and keenly aware of the limitations involved. And the patient needs to be aware of the risks and TOLD about those risks (it's only fair afterall). Again, that wasn't directed at you - it was a general comment.

Thanks for posting - I always appreciate your comments. I disagree with you opinion on the responsibility factor, but perhaps I misunderstand you. Yes, patients are ultimately responsible for their care - but it's not so simple. How can one make INFORMED decisions when they have not studied Homeopathy comprehensively? They can't. So there IS an element of trust between patient and practitioner, and an element of reliance on the practioner from the patient. At least you were honest and told Jennifer that Nat-mur couldn't be confirmed without a full case history. I didn't miss that, I assure you. And, I appreciated your candour about it.

I still don't choosing internet prescribing as a "First" option is wise - so we disagree on that point too, I guess. I still stand on my point earlier - that it should only be a last resort for those who cannot afford or cannot locate a good practitioner.

All the best,
Lisa

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Carroll Dunham

Hi Lisa,

Now did I agree that she should continue OC's?? I don't think so. I'm sure I suggested that they could actually be a cause for her headache. (I've not checked - but I know my opinions don't change). I think I suggested another form of birth control, NATURAL.

When I said her case was clearer, I meant, the causative factor of her headaches and its relationship to her menstrual cycle, which she was not able to determine before. And if the causative factor is removed, medicine becomes a secondary need.

Well on some of the other aspects (whether I'm a sincere/classical homoeopath or not - Vaccinations, etc), we can agree to disagree!! I have no problem with that. And I always feel responsible to help a patient make an informed decision about their condition, which I do with EVERY case of mine, BEFORE they begin treatment.

I'm sure your opinions deserve all the merit it has Lisa! I know that your informed contributions on the BB are of immense help. So Keep it up.

WArm regards,
doctorleela

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Lisa,

You never remained interested in prescribing remedies on internet. I read your some posts. You have very sound knowledge over homeopathy. But never seen taking initiated in prescribing remedies first. Do you agree with my remarks.

But dr leela is a good prescriber all the time.

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