Symptoms and Potency Myth.

Dr. Saboor · #1 (**permalink**) 11th November 2001, 07:40 PM

Do the Homeopathic remedies have a different set of symptoms for their different Potencies? We all know that the remedies were proved on human beings in crude or not so lethal doses and symptoms collected, but what about the chronic symptoms of the same remedy? Has there been a prolonged proving of the remedies.

My experience says that an Ars. Patient will have frequent thirst in acute and sub acute stages of their diseases and will be thirstless in their chronic manifestations. So we prescribe small potencies in acute and sub acute cases and medium to high potencies for chronic cases.

Ars. Alb. has THIRST and THIRSTLESS.

Kent repertory:

Thirst (3)
Burning, vehemently (3)
Small quantities for (3)
Small quantities, often (3)
Unquenchable (3)

Thirstless (2)
Without desire to drink with (2)

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HansWeitbrecht · #2 (**permalink**) 11th November 2001, 09:23 PM

Hallo dr. saboor
what is the exact meaning of the numbers in brackets after the rubrics?

Hans Weitbrecht
homeopath

Chris Gillen · #3 (**permalink**) 12th November 2001, 06:45 AM

Hi Dr Saboor,

You wrote:
Do the Homeopathic remedies have a different set of symptoms for their different Potencies?

I don't know. Some people claim they do. I tend to see potency as a matter of intensity of a symptom. Some people say a remedy may aggravate at a 30C but it worked beautifully at 1M. Go figure! I personally wouldn't risk the possibility for aggravation, so I'd retake the case.

You wrote:
Has there been a prolonged proving of the remedies.

My question to you is why would anyone undertake an unneccessarily long drawn out proving? It could kill you, or engraft the potential for real pathological damage.

Our provings and subsequent clinical verifications are all that are needed to base a prescription on strange, rare and peculiar characteristic symptoms.

Many or all (? I don't know exactly how many) of our remedies are bipolar in action, if you have a patient who is treated chronically with Arsenicum and they are thirstless, so what? Would you be changing your prescription on this fact alone? Are they getting better overall, to me, that is what counts.

Dr. Saboor · #4 (**permalink**) 12th November 2001, 07:41 PM

Dear HansWeitbrecht,
Thank you for your input.
Numbers in the brackets denominate the grade of that rubric according to Dr. Kent. I understand it is according to the percentage of the people who were proving the medicine, found with the manifestation of the symptom.

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Simone · #5 (**permalink**) 13th November 2001, 01:19 AM

Dr Saboor

The "Bombay Group" (www.olne.net) have recently done a proving on Nat Mur using different potencies and noting the difference in symptoms and depth of action.

Have you heard of this work?

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Dr. Saboor · #6 (**permalink**) 13th November 2001, 07:46 PM

Dear Cris Gillen,

Not exactly long drawn proving of the remedy but their effect for a long time after without antidoting the remedy.
I do understand that such a long drawn proving can kill or bring about the pathological changes both reversible and irreversible.
Undertaking a long study of the proving would have taught us better effects of that remedy in chronic cases. You see, disease is a continuous process till it is either hindered by suppressive treatment or eradicated by the correct Homoeopathic treatment.
I am of the opinion that we have almost all the remedies with the bipolar effects. We can produce both effects that are suppressive and curative with our remedies. Suppressive action by the quantitative and frequent use of the remedy, say in mother tinctures or very low potencies. Curative action by the minimal and single dose of the simillimum remedy. You see we have to draw a very fine line between Homeopathic remedies and allopathic medicines here.
The basic ingredients of the medicines are the same in almost every school, herbal and allopathic. Only allopathic doctors have advanced the science in the laboratory. Further refining and finding out the alkaloids to use for the medicines.

Curiosity begets rewards!

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Dr. Saboor · #7 (**permalink**) 14th November 2001, 07:21 PM

Dear Simone H,

I visited the "Bombay Group" (www.olne.net) as advised by you but was unable to find out the mentioned proving on Nat Mur using different potencies and as you say noting the difference in symptoms and the depth of action. It might have answered my question or at least have provided some food for thought.

It was a good experience to visit this above mentioned site quite informative too with all the new proving. See I am craving to learn more.

Could you please guide me more on how to find this proving? Thank you for the message.
Curiosity begets rewards!

HansWeitbrecht · #8 (**permalink**) 14th November 2001, 08:12 PM

Hallo Dr. Sabor

Are you sure with the grading in Kents repertory?
Did he write that, and where?

Long provings:
Look under thuj in Allens Enzyklopadia:
the prover Wolff did a proving with a single dose in a 1m Handsucussed potency, and left it undisturbed act for 18 months.
Compare his symptoms with the Hahnemann proving and you will see.
I have a copy of the original provingprotocoll from the 1850'' (German)

Hans Weitbrecht
cure by symptom similarity!

Simone · #9 (**permalink**) 15th November 2001, 07:05 AM

I am so sorry Dr Saboor, but I cannot guide you further.

My tutor was the one who made mention of this to me, during one of my extracurricular tutorials. She is studying with the "Bombay" group and attends, in India, in January. I think one of the people involved in the proving was called Divya (Sankaran's wife).

Unfortunately, I am no longer in contact with my tutor and thus cannot supply you with any more detail. Perhaps someone on the www.olne.net BB will be able to guide you further? I, perhaps wrongly, assumed that www.olne.net was the website for the people who attend in Bombay. A mistake on my part?

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Dr. Saboor · #10 (**permalink**) 17th November 2001, 07:51 PM

Dear HansWeitbrecht

Yes its true, now that you pointed out it did mistakenly typed the grades wrongly. For that I do apologize to all the readers of the mail. Correct rubric grading are as under:

Thirst (3)
Burning, vehemently (2)
Small quantities for (2)
Small quantities, often (3)
Unquenchable (3)

Thirstless (2)
Without desire to drink with (2)

Curiosity begets rewards!

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