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Old 3rd November 2001, 10:19 AM
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i wrote in about a year ago about this problem. we tried a number of things - rhus tox 30 and later on GM's advice Lyc 1m. but to no avail. my 83 year old grandmother is still suffering chronically with a nerve pain in the right shoulder and arm which feels like knives or electricity. recently doctors gave her steroids, also to no avail. it is making her life a misery. the only slight relief she obtains is from lying on that arm, perhaps the pressure alleviates it a a tiny bit. can anyone help? from what i have read Arsenicum Ranculus B or Mezerum seem possible but i have no idea what dose. Suggestions very much appreciated. she is at her wits end.
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Hello,
Is this "frozen shoulder" or Cervical spondilitis?

For frozen shoulder, the constitutional similimum is the only thing that really works. BUt if this is Cx spondilitis, sometimes a specific would relieve for a while. I can understand why GM gave Lyc 1M.
Some common remedies then are Paris, Rhus tox, Laur, Rhod, Hyper. Ruta.

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One of the strongest keynote of Bryonia is relief from lying on the affected part.

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If it is an old complain then it means you have used so many remedies for this purpose. The complain which you are talking about may easily be covered with Acupuncture treatment.
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Dear Zanna,

I remember this case so well and am sorry to hear it is still going on! I believe your grandmother had post-herpes zoster neuralgia, is that right?

Since you've already tried Rhus t., Mez., and Ars., I would be inclined to try
Ranunculus Bulbosus (Buttercup): "Painful remedy
affecting nerves" (Murphy).

I remember we also discussed that this came on after a grief, so you might want to have Nat-m. in the back of your mind, which is also a herpes remedy.

I would start with a 30C three or four times a day and adjust as needed. Let us know what happens.

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thank you everybody so much. as snoopy correctly remembers, we think this is a post-herpes zoster neuralgia. actually the only 2 remedies we hve tried were rhus tox 30. (she thought there was perhāps a slight improvement initially but almost negligible and then nothing) then one dose of Lyc 1m (no result noticed). it is quite difficult to convince her to take anything now, she is so tired of nothing working.
what would be the best first remedy to try? perhaps bryonia for the reason shirley suggested? would that be a 30c dose?
or are Mez and or Ars indicated and would that also be 30c?
as for NatM...? yes there has been an important bereavement after amid a life full of losses and grief. (lost her daughter 8years ago)
forgive my ignorance. i'm not sure where to begin, how long to give each remedy a chance before trying another and whether it is a bad idea (isuppose so) to take more than one remedy at a time.
thank you again for any advice
kind regards to all.
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Dear Zanna,

I would start with Nat-mur. since it easy to get and you may already have it and it tends to cover the causation. I would give a 30C three or four times a day, but be prepared to stop and wait if you see a reaction one way or the other. If it's an improvement, don't repeat until you see the case relapsing.

I would order Ranunculus b. since you probably don't have it on hand, just in case Nat-m. doesn't work. If you haven't tried Mez., order that too.

I'm so sorry this has lasted a year already!

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Dear Zanna,

If after 2 or three days of trying a remedy nothing has happened, go on to the next one, especially if the complaint is intense and painful as it is in this case.

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Ran B has the keynote of bluish vescicles and since this is an old shingles I doubt it would work. Mezerium is more likely to work and according to Clarke's Prescriber it is a specific for older people and for where the pain persists after the rash has gone. I used it on my elderly mother and she is fine now.
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Pain like knives is a good symptom - Belladonna is strong in this sensation. What is the rest of the case? I don't remember seeing it before.
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