It was mentioned by several homeopaths, on the "Labrador Poisoned" thread, that they wished they were vets, so they could better prescribe. In that case, poisoning is poisoning and tachypnea is tachypnea, no matter what the species of animal. Many very competent homeopaths are not MD's yet are quite capable of prescribing homeopathic remedies. The same is true in treating animals. One does not need to be a vet in order to prescribe for animals, just as one does not need to be a medical doctor to prescribe for people. Symptoms are symptoms regardless of the species. Prescribing for animals is similar to prescribing for children too young to verbalize or the elderly who can no longer. All that is required is a good, observant caregiver to relate information. Mentals are just a bit more difficult.

I hope there is more participation from trained homeopaths on the pet forum in the future for those who post there rather than on the regular discussion board.

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Dear GPM,

I'll take heed of your advice. I'm a little backward, as I have never had dogs/animals in the house, and I'm not really sure what to do with them. But your right, a symptom is a symptom, and like I just answered Lisa, before seeing your thread, I should have looked at the dog like a child that cannot completely communicate, and suggest a course of action!!

Well there's always a first time, and I hope I'll do better next time. I'll take a look at the Pets section too. If I can offer anything there, I'll be delighted.

Warm regards,
doctorleela

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Thanks for posting this GPM , as that is exactly what I thought - just look at what symptoms are there. Hence, why I took Dr Leela's info into account (went off and read some, etc, etc)...and tried NV .


Lisa

doctorleela,

I feel dreadful that I may have sounded as though I was castigating anyone, most particularly you, regarding not offering to treat animals. You, after all, are the one who did come forward and offer assistance. Your concern was evident and much appreciated.

I see the queries on the pet forum languish with seldom any response ( except David A.,....thanks) and have then been criticized by a board member for suggesting a site where help would be available for these animals and their humans.

I, frankly, do not understand how anyone has the fortitude to attempt to handle any case! The responsibility is overwhelming. I hate to offer advice because I am not qualified to do so and worry that I might damage a situation.

There is no access to a qualified homeopathic vet anywhere near me. In truth, there are very few who have the extensive training a "human" homeopath would have, although this may be changing and I know there are good homeo vets out there. They just aren't available for me. I have come to the conclusion that a well trained "human" homeopath is a better choice (for me, now, in my location) than a meagerly trained vet homeopath for treating animals.

We, as lay people in the US, have no access to homeopathic vet forums or the homeopathic vet journal. There is no open discussion board with licensed (homeopathic) vets contributing, to the best of my knowledge. (If there is, JVolkman will let me know post haste, you can bet!) So BB's like this and others are very valuable to us.........animal people!

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In my above post, I neglected one of the more important things I had wanted to mention. For his unswerving devotion to helping animals, I am and will remain always, indebted to Geir Marcussen, whom I first encountered on this BB and have loyally followed elsewhere. Regardless of personal opinion regarding his "manner", he commands my respect for steadfastly offering so much of his time and talent to all of us who treasure our non-human companions. Without hesitation, any time of the day or night, he has made himself available to assist with animal problems. I have learned much because of him. Many of my companions and the wildlife released by me and other rehabbers, owe him their lives. He is not a vet but that never stopped him from putting forth all he can help. He is a dedicated (human) homeopath who has certainly gone the distance for the animals. This board's pet forum has been sorely neglected since he has been gone. He has my appreciation and gratitude for all he has and is doing for the animals.

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Dear GPM,

No offence taken at all. In fact the very same thing was in my mind, that there was no need to really differentiate between animals and humans as far as homoeopathy is concerned.

I would also like to get some experience from animal lovers like you and Lisa , and find a good way to use my knowledge to help animals. I'm sure it would be simpler than treating humans!! There is an intuitive aspect about knowing animals, as I know humans, that I thought I may lack, not being around animals enough. I wonder if others feel that too. The concern about giving the wrong advise is, as you mentioned, a great responsibility. BUt it is not something that cannot be remedied with proper application.

I would try my best, and it will be a help to me most of all, I'm sure!!

Warm regards,
doctorleela

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Just to share my own experience--our oldest dog Josser (Border terrier--15 yo) began having some problems with incontinence about 3 y ago. We went to see a vet who would occasionally use homeopathy or herbal treatments, but we didn't have good results. Then a homeopath friend suggested caust, which worked fairly well for a number of months. After some time we switched to bar-c for partial results. When the problem kept persisting, I looked over the symptoms-- involuntary dribbling, etc., and thought about how Josser had always been pretty fearless except for thunderstorms (he's deaf now!--a mixed blessing!). He's also always been stubborn. I switched him to con, and occasional 30C's have worked very well over the past year. He's happy, we're happy, and the only one who's not so happy is the carpet cleaner!

Dear gpm,
this is a serious question; can animals, in your experience, ever be 'delusional'?
Thanks.
Great to see you as ever devoted to the good work.
Louise.

Animals respond brilliantly to Homeopathy even on symptoms alone and mere untrained interested parties like myself

My Cavalier King Charles Spaniels survived to a ripe old age of 14 which is twice the average age they live to

David A., good to hear that about Josser. This is one of the reasons I want so much for more animal caregivers to know about homeopathy. Incontinence is one reason many put their animals down and if a result such as you had with Josser is possible, it can save a lot of lives.

I've used Con for animals that come in that have had injuries, usually a broken pelvis, that affects the sphincters, leaving them with the dribbling problem, with really good results. This would be if a remnant of the accident, not as a first approach. Didn't even consider the fear of thunderstorms....should have and that brings us to......

Louise, that's a good question because it is often difficult to know the history of an animal in order to decide if any seeming delusion could actually be an after affect of something that did actually happen to them. I would say, with certainty, that they do have delusions but it probably isn't as easy to determine as with a speaking human!

One "delusion" that I think is interesting is the dog who becomes absolutely obsessed with black flies. Not annoyed, not just snapping at them for fun or entertainment, but really, truly turned inside out by them. That is one symptom that doesn't seem to have any particular reason for existing. In other words, no one tortured the dog with black flies for him to have developed this response. (Caust usually works well on these dogs, what ever their symptoms.) There are dogs that have been with the original owner from infanthood that develop "strange" behavior for which there seems no explanation. (Sometimes that can be attributed to vaccinations.)

Is it delusional for a dog that has been abandoned by the side of the road to sit there and wait, sometimes for days and weeks, for the human to come back for him? How about the Baboons that saw a car kill one of their family then waited by the road for three days. When that same car that did the deed came back, they threw stones at it, breaking windows.....I guess these aren't delusions but do indicate a thought process. I suppose that if a being can think, they can be delusional.

In trying to prescribe for animals it is important, in my opinion, to try to separate what could be normal behavior for that species from abnormal. For instance, I'm not terribly sure fear of thunderstorms or loud noises would be a good symptom to use because it may just be "sensible" to react to them. We humans have learned to control the outward reactions to those things. I guess it would depend on the degree of fear or reaction.......much as with prescribing for people. I have a squirrel who was raised with other orphans that absolutely must make circles for hours on end. She is free and has no reason for repetitive motion as caged animals often will do. She has to find a place where she can make circles...comes back into a cage or finds a place where she goes round and round like a Ferris wheel, hitting the floor or bottom and the top with her feet to propel herself in these loops. She has always done this. Other than being very bossy, she seems normal besides this behavior.

You really have me thinking here, Louise. Thank you for that!

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