when someone has an aggravation to a high potency rather quickly - is this considered indicative of anything other than that the potency may have been too high? For instance is it more likely to indicate that it was the correct remedy? or does it mean nothing?

My husband is having a nasty (mental) aggro on a remedy(not telling which one yet He even asked me to give him something to antidote it (yet, when asked he says he totally doesn't believe in this "hocus pocus")

Anyway - I know Kent has a whole trheory with this but was wondering what your experience shows.

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Dear Barb,

May I assume you've given up on Arg-n and are now trying something else? Well, I'm kind of glad he's having a reaction to something. It's discouraging when you give a remedy and nothing happens. However, an aggravation can mean either the right remedy or the wrong remedy-- if you'll look at Shyanne's thread and see the number of remedies that have made her son worse. Tell me, what was aggravated? The furniture moving, per chance? The window opening? The anger? The cursing? Or something new--like something that didn't used to be wrong with him and now it is? Is it possible he's proving the remedy? Do you feel he's worse or is it all his perception that he's worse?

How is he experiencing this aggravation--what is so uncomfortable for him that he wants an antidote?

What potency did you give? Divina and Ricky seem to be the resident experts on antidoting, so I hope one of them tunes in.

Bye for now,

Snoopy

Is the agg. for an existing symptom or a new one? If of an existing condition it may be getting worse to get better.

How long has the agg. lasted? If the agg. is a new symptom you have to look at whether it is in the proving of the remedy that has been given in which case I would antidote by giving one dose of a lower potency usually a 30C. If it is a new symptom completely then you need to rep it and find out what remedy this symptom is leading towards. You need to look at the list of similar remedies to the one that has been given and also to the antidoting remedies. One of the later should contain the new symptom he is experiencing and could lead to a cure.

Hope the above is not too much of a muddle for you to understand.

When my homeopath gave me a remedy on a 1M last April I was in agony from back pain. To me this was a new symptom but possibly one that the remedy had. When after 4 days of taking painkillers she admitted what she had given me I took one dose of 30C and one dose 6C for good measure. From ther agnosing pain it become discomfort and bearable!!! I didn't get that remedy again although it is possible that it cured a mental symptom that I had had for years and not told her about as I never thought about it. Iyt also got rid of anpther problem temporarily. Since then I have had another remedy.

I had a patient that agg. with Carc. It was a bad agg of one of her presenting complaints and I gave another remedy that had appeared in my rep and it cured the case.
The problem is that every case is individual.

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Barb, if you truly need an antidote, you have to tell the remedy given. It's impossible to antidote or manage the case otherwise.

By the way, what's the big aggravation all about? Need to know that, to know whether it is just an aggravation, or something else that's getting to your husband...

Divina

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No No - I am not planning on antidoting. Just wanted to mention that he asked to have it antidoted while saying that he believes that there is nothing in the remedies.

He was just feeling very "on edge" and had a look that he was ready to fight. Very anxious and stressed out.

we will seehow it goes.

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That could be from anything...like, for example, the fear that he's underestimated both you and homeopathy--and now he's being made to see how powerful both are, and how wrong he was!

Best just to wait and see what happens. Its not unusual to see an intensification or aggravation like this, then an amelioration. 1M is pretty potent--and this remedy, if it is Arg. N., has a lot of pent-up, stored energy and sensitivity, remember...

Hope it passes soon.

Divina

[ 06 August 2001: Message edited by: Divina ]

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Dear Barb,

my experience is that an aggravation often means the remedy will act curatively, but there are certain people who react to every remedy you give them, so in those cases it is a useless sign. I have 3 patients like this - one of those patients is almost impossible to treat because of this characteristic. She has done well enough on 2 of the remedies, which she aggravated on as well, but I could not tell until improvemet set in that they were good remedies.

I also have 2 patients that get improvement after aggravation, who then relapse back into their old states, despite being given nosodes and miasmatic remedies. They seem to improve on every remedy!!! With one of those patients, he seems to have stabalised now on Lachesis, so I don't know if that is a characteristic of people who need that remedy, (perhaps I should give the other patient Lach too?).

But what I am fairly sure of, is that many more people will aggravate on the higher potencies - M, 10M etc, than on 30 or 200. People will more likely aggravate when given a pill straight into the mouth instead of dissolved in water first. People with alot of high grade emotional symptoms will usually aggravate more than people with very few. People prone to frequent acute episodes of their chronic illness will aggravate more easily too.

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Well observed, David!
thats, why I predominantly use LM's.
Did you read the article on the
Boger-Boenninghausen.com/ ?
and, remedies can only aggrevate single sympoms as a homeophatic agg.within the first few hours, after taking the remedy.
An overall agg. is called WORSENING and should be counteracted.
Greetings from irland, hans

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Dear Hans,

I am not sure I understand that. Are you saying that the correct remedy will aggravate only specific symptoms, not the whole case? And if the whole case aggravates, that the reaction is actually a bad one and should be antidoted?

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An aggravation can also mean the potency wasn't high enough- so it has worked in stirring up an aggravation of a symptom but not strong enough to get rid altogether.

I always think of symptoms as stones lying on a trampoline (vital force) . We remove the stones by throwing another stone (remedy) in order to deflect it. Sometimes this stone is heavy enough to move it but not to throw it off altogether !

Hope that makes sense- i find it a simple way to understand the process.