Phos Ac is a common remedy for your condition. It is however interesting that a few homeopaths have all seen Nat Mur. When I well prescribed remedy fails to work it is often because a miasmatic remedy is needed to cut through a layer. Nat Mur is an A grade anti Psoric remedy and is B grade in most of the others like Carcinosin. Thoughts on this anyone?

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Thank you to all who have replied. I have not written past 4-5 days because symptoms are worse during mensus and it was to exhausting to think. I tried a few times and then quit.
I looked up Phos. ac and am pretty sure I was that in my early teens. I remember lying on my back with my eyes closed and feeling my legs rise up until it felt as though I was standing on my head. I remember thinking it was fun. I found that in Phos ac. as a peculiar symptom. I have gone through my notes, the earlier are very vague, and have summed then up to what I hope is pertinant.
I did not know to avoid anything during the first 10+ remedies. Had alcohol and coffee.

PHOS. (1M),
CALC. C (1M), better for 2 days
GELS (?), more spacey
PHOS AC (?) No notes on this and not sure if it was just considered or actually taken.
NUX V (?)
SEPIA (1M)
KALI PHOS (?) Physically excellent, felt light I just lost 50 Lbs. Picked my daughter up and almost through her to the ceiling. Didn't realize how bogged down my body felt. Mentally no change. Wore off.
KALI PHOS (LM?) Never got it back.
PHOS (?) Physically a little better
NAT M (1M) Nothing until 5th day-aggrivations of all symptoms, 7th day getting worse
NUX V to antidote.
SEPIA (1M) - Slight aggrivation 1st week, then MENTALLY great for one day.
KALI CARB (LM)
KALI CARB (1M)
SULPHUR (30x), (200c), (LM).
CALC PHOS (30c)-3 days aggriv then feeling much better mentally and physically.
CALC PHOS (200c)-not as good.
CALC PHOS (LM) - a little better, than wore off.
GRAPHITE (200c) - after 17-19 days, thought it was the one but wearing off. 35 days aggriv of skin symptoms.
KALI CARB (200x)
***CARBO V (x12) 2 per day*** Strange things happened with this one!!! Heart stopped pounding and fluttering after meals. Now it buzzes.
CARBO V (200c) - Ringworm on end of tongue right side (don't know if this is an old reacurring or an aggrivation) I always had cankors and sore spots on tongue growing up but never took note of shape. Skin above eye sunken into socket. That I am pretty sure never happened before. It was scary. Need to stop it's action.
CARB V (12x)-CAMHORA (30x) - Coffee.
Maybe Carcinocin or Thuja?????
Maybe try Conium,Tuber, China???
Streaking balls of light up left eye (don't remember this before.
Left hip pain. Had this before but not this severe.
Sunken eye socket gone- for good !
CAMPHORA (30x)- one dose.

At this point I feel I have been given a disease. These new symptoms, or maybe I just don't remember, I still have now (1 year later).
Ring worm on tongue, rheumatic left hip pain, balls of light streaking up outside of left eye, feeling of boiling heat from uterus near end of mensus.
NAT M (12x) Cleaned the house.
NAT M (200x)
NAT M (12x)

3 months off

NATR CARB (200x) - worked great for a week
NATR CARB (200x) - not as good
NATR CARB (LM) - Lost improvements from (200x) Having Nat M symptoms.
Continue NAT CARB (LM)4 x per day with NAT M (12x) 2 x per day for 3 days then
NUX V (200x).

Feeling like I did as a teenager (*after Phos ac symptoms).

NAT CARB (12)
SULPHUR (30)
ACID SULPH (200x)
RHUS T (200C) * felt so comfortable and content lying down in bed. Thought THIS was the one.
RHUS T (10M) - Whole family came down with strep throat. Very sore throat 8 days
TUBERC (CM) - Throat very sore. Lungs feel like I'm suffocating. Can't take a deep breath. Lungs feel swollen like when in a hot steam room. Dr. sais Walking Pneuomonia. Since I have the Mitral valve prolapse- took antibiotics. First time in 5 years.
Period symptoms changed. Start for 1 day stop for 2 then start again. PENN
PENNICILUM (1M) Feeling good!! More stools, more relaxed, no athletes foot, no ringworm, lasted a few days but had alcahol Ugh!
PENN (1M) again. Nothing
SULPHUR (200c)
Maybe food problems or chronic liver damage?
SULPH (12x) 2 times a day, 14 days
NUX V (12x) 4 times a day, 14 days.

1 month no remedies
3 months on ocean - worsening of left hip and athletes foot.
2 month home now and hip and foot a little better.

Total 6 months of no remedies now.

If there is any more info I can give, please let me know. Thank you for all your help. Elly

Wow, that is a scary amount of remedies. You have really given homoeopathy a try. Was this all with one homoeopath?

If you have had that many remedies, and done that much work with someone, then this case is obviously a tough one. Am I to understand that you feel some of your symptoms have acutally come from the remedies you have been given? It is quite possible. We will need to be more careful with you to ensure that never happens again. Was this done by email/on this site, or in person?

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Hi David, It has been many remedies but over the course of 4 years. I have used 3 Homeopaths The first was by telephone, the second in person, and the third by e-mail. I think the CARBO V either left me with some new symptoms, or maybe it removed a layer? After the CARBO V. I felt better because my heart felt strong but had a buzz to it, not the usual fluttering and pounding. After Carbo V. I developed ringworm on tongue, ball of light streaking up the outside of my eye, aching in left hip became more procounced, and feeling of boiling heat from uterus near end of mensus. I have never been very aware of my physical symptoms before taking remedies so I can't for sure say they are new. I think the Carbo V brought out some Natr Mur symptoms. When I tried Natr Mur before Carbo V it had no effect but when I tried it afterwards it did help mentally and physically for a little while. Thank you, Elly

The ringworm on tongue and the flashes of light are indeed nat mur symptoms. If these were totally new symptoms then I suggest this is a proving of Nat Mur. As a studenrt of homeopathy I think the best thing for you would be to see someone in person. Having said that, as a patient I understand how very difficult it is to find someone and if there is no one near you then please continue here and hopefully the homeopaths will be able to sort out your case.

Good Luck to you

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Hi Barb, You are correct in what you are saying. The strange thing is that my symptoms of ringworm on right side tip of tongue and balls of light rolling up the outside perifria of eye are Natr Mur, but I was not taking Nat Mur at the time. I had some Natr Mur symptoms but those 2 were brought on AFTER taking Carbo V. Does this make any sense? I am at a loss and am hoping someone here might recognize something. If Carbo V made Natr Mur symptoms more pronounced, then why does Natr Mur not work now? Any insite or thoughts are greatly appreciated. It has been 6 months since I have taken a remedy and I am not anxious to jump into another. Just asking for any thoughts or opinions. Thank you, Elly

Hello again,

This is quite a challenging case, and I see that Lycopodium is listed in the repertory as a 2 for Candida albicans, and your diet seems to be at the center of your problem.

So, I would suggest Lyc. 6C three times a day for a month. I suggest that you must stop eating junk food. Substitute whole grains for all the white flour products you eat--bread, cereal, etc. Eat brown instead of white rice.

In fact, to the extent that you can, go on a raw food diet until you start to feel better.
Have some fresh fruit for breakfast and lunch, and a salad and a baked potato for dinner. This is a healthy diet. Think of all the great fruits there are: bananas, kiwi,tangerines, pinapple, peaches, pears, grapes, blue berries....You can also have seeds--sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds. No dairy. Wheat, dairy and sugar cause big problems for a lot of people. Expect your body to rebel against this new regime as if you were quitting cigarettes, but just ignore its protestations. This good healthy food will normalize your body and your health will be restored.

Keep us posted!

Snoopy

Wait, Snoopy! Lycopodium patients have a tendency to hypoglycemia, so I think we need to be sure to get some proteins in with all those carbohydrates! Don't you?

Divina

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She can certainly add beans and tofu to her salad, but what would you recommend, Divina?
I'd be interested to hear your take on this complicated case.

Snoopy

I also see a huge problem with blood sugar levels here--longstanding. But I also believe we could be seeing some thyroid underfunction here. I suspect that goes far back, too. So, what to do: first, strengthen and support the body:

I think a change of diet while you "wait out" the incredible amounts of remedies you've been hit with is a good idea. If you are vegetarian, then I would suggest you go along with Snoop's idea of cutting out the refined sugars and grains--substitute the brown rices for white rices, for example, and also alternate your grains (eat rye, rices, wild rice, oats, millet, amaranth and quinoa if you have access to them). Even natural foods can have large amounts of simple carbohydrates, so minimize your intake of things like fruit and starchy vegetables, such as potatoes. Instead, eat a variety of fresh vegetables and don't skimp on the greens, which are healthful eaten cooked or raw. If you must eat things like peas and potatoes, veer towards the freshest available: snow peas, for example, have more fibre and less starch than the fresh or frozen peas which are shelled. Check out the wide variety of potatoes available, too--fingerlings, or sweet potatoes also have less starch (which is just more sugar, really, as it does effect the insulin levels in the blood the same way) and provide more nutrients than your average new/white potato in the supermarkets.

If you are vegan, then your protein sources will be sources like tofu and beans. Be careful to use non-genetically-modified organism, organically grown tofu; and if you do eat beans, vary the types you eat. If you can, eat the freshest possible--green and wax beans, fava, lupini (which can be eaten practically raw--just soak them in water for a few days) chick peas, adzuki, etc. Variety is the best way to get an abundance of nutrients; and fresh vegetables such as tomatoes, carrots, cucumbers, peppers, and greens (dandelion, arugula, beet greens, asparagus etc) can all be eaten raw, in salads. You may have to lightly parboil other veggies such as the cruciforms (broccolis and cauliflowers) as they are not 100% safe to eat raw. Summer squash, or if you prefer, their blossoms, are also excellent. You can actually eat the blossoms without cooking them, in salads; but they are wonderful stuffed with rice or vegetable pastes, brushed with oil, and baked too. Makes a good way to control your zucchini yield, as I know that is an issue with everyone who's ever grown them...

Next: Omega 3 and omega 6 essential fatty acids must be added to the diet. Be sure to use the best quality oils in your food preparation, too: expeller pressed or cold pressed is always preferable. Olive oils should be extra virgin first cold pressed; borage, flax seed, pumpkin seed, (omega 3 fatty acid sources) should all be expeller pressed, organically sourced, and never heated. Use the olive oil for cooking, as long as you don't fry long with it (you want to avoid eating rancid oil of any kind); if you do eat animal products, I would recommend you fry with butter or a mixture of butter and olive oil so that you can increase the smoking point of the fat without jeopardizing its edibility. If you do eat animal products, always choose unsalted butter over margarine. Don't rule out nuts as a good source of protein, too; cashews, walnuts, pine nuts, brasil nuts, hazelnuts--all good sources of scarce vitamins and minerals like selenium. I would even suggest using salts such as Britanny sea salt or Celtic sea salt, which is a grey, moist kind of salt which comes from France; using this kind of salt is preferable to table salt because it is full of nutrients which are simply not available in commercial salt. You can use less of this stuff, but you will gain a benefit from its sea nutrients, which help to rebalance the thyroid's function (intense sugar cravings often point to a thyroid dysfunction). Additionally, you can season your food with dried sea weeds, such as Dulce. It has the same effect as the french sea salt.

If you do eat eggs and cheese, the eggs are a good source of protein, as is the cheese. Again, be picky about what kind of cheese--fetas and other chevre/goat cheeses are easier to digest than cow's milk cheeses...and raw milk cheeses are always superior in terms of nutrition than the commercial, pasteurized cheeses. Choose yoghurts with live bacterial cultures over processed types which contain lots of sugar; you can flavour your own yoghurt with fruit or drain it of its water content and use it as a condiment or fresh cheese.

If you eat meats and fish, add these to your diet too. Again, vary what you eat as much as possible. Be picky about how these foods are raised and prepared, too; avoid meats and fish that are glazed in preparation, and keep your intake to a minimum--1 portion per day; 4 to 6 oz is a portion.

Limit your beverage range to water, and if possible, fresh juiced vegetables mixed with a small amount of fresh fruit. This means cut out all the sugary drinks, such as soft drinks, fruit juices, sweetened teas and coffees, and milk. It is okay to have sweetened beverages once in a while, but remember that they must be had in moderation.
6 eight oz. glasses of water will help to rehydrate you (dehydration is the norm these days); save your nutrient intake and your sugar intake for your solid foods. Alcohol should be a rare thing indeed (Sorry, but like Snoopy says--its' gonna hurt, but just ignore it and go on until you don't feel the hurt and complaints of your body anymore).

The goal is to obtain a maximum of nutrients while minimizing sugar and refined food intake. If you do this for a month or so and still notice a marked craving for sugary foods, then that craving is definitely a big symptom for you; but in the meantime, you will have begun to provide some much needed support for your body while it gets over all those high potency remedies. The intense sugar craving you're experiencing now can actually be a symptom of any one of the remedies you've been given--and it really must be addressed; but I agree that you need to just "detox" from all the remedies you've been given and try to strengthen yourself so we can clearly see what symptoms still persist. I would also be a little curious about your current state of health, so I would suggest you find a nice MD and get a full work-up--in particular, I'd like to check out your thyroid function and that tendency to hypoglycemia. A physical exam (just a short one--head, eyes, ears, nose, mouth, chest, abdominal, and neurological) couldn't hurt, and neither could some bloodwork, just to assess where you are physically. Homeopathically speaking, a little time and some nutritive support for the body will help us to clarify what symptoms are truly presenting, and what symptoms continue to persist, and have been present since "the beginning", as little has really been changed curatively since that initial point. Time will also eliminate any "proving" symptoms, and clarify for us whether or not your eye symptoms and ringworm symptoms really are Nat Mur. symptoms.

I don't blame you for being wary about taking another new remedy too soon, but this is just something you can do in the meantime, while you give yourself some time to clearly see what's going on with you physically. Take note of what happens, what you remember, and what you find out from your doc, too. It will all be relevant when the time comes to re-take your case (which I really think would be best done in person, though I know there are some excellent prescribers at work here).

Divina

[ 12 July 2001: Message edited by: Divina ]

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