Ozzie, does the woman in your post believe that a 'memory' of the alcohol is present along with the 'memory' of the material substance that is the remedy. And so that is also why she is averse to homoeopathy?
I'm sure this post that I'm refering to explained why the water and alcohol contents were not also potentised along with remedy material. I'm starting to wonder if I've got Craft Disease!

[ 22 June 2001: Message edited by: chrisg ]

Okay--because the water used to make remedies is distilled, it has no no "memory" of live organisms, trace elements, hormones, or anything else in the molecules. Grain alcohol is also distilled, and, as mentioned above, it is used as a preservative which either becomes diluted beyond measurability or simply evaporates once it is applied to a "carrier", like the milk sugar blanks.


Hey, Snoop: I "know" what "bipolar disorder" is, I just object to the fact that it is a contrived name which seems to cover everyone from those whose behaviour can spontaneously alternate between sheer mania and catatonia, to moms who've had some rather severe emotional setbacks from something like the death of a child--what would you consider "severe" here, or out of the understandable?--plus everything or everyone that can be fit in between the nebulous edges of the term. Interestingly, it is not called a "disease"--because that would mean some solid physical and mental symptoms would have to be present and have some demonstrable reason to occur; "disorder" seems to be a trendy "catchall" phrase that is applied to an idea about a possible set of symptoms that may be linked...usually so commonplace that anyone could be "diagnosed" as "disordered". I'm stunned at the number of "bipolar" people who seem to be surfacing...almost as alarming as the population boom that's been "infiltrated" by ADD and ADHD--it is truly difficult to find a child who has not been stamped with this label these days--and some adults, too. It all seems to be some cynical marketing ploy the get docs to prescribe more inadequately tested, addictive, and expensive drugs like prozac and ritalin. Hahnemann was right: naming the "pathology" just gives it a meaningless designation--I want the patient to tell me something relevant...like, does your headache lessen when you pee?...

Divina
(embarrassed by my tendency to rant these days)

[ 22 June 2001: Message edited by: Divina ]

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Oh.

hi Divina, Not a rant at all! Made a lot of sense. Now they are finding that people on the "wonder" medications for many of these disorders are committing horrendous crimes. Look at the latest wonder drug for stopping smoking too, is it better to die from the drug you are taking or the drug you are taking to stop taking another drug....?
I am sure many of these disorders are from environmental factors. (which is where Hahnneman came in ..remove the exciting cause..) Not to take away from those who do suffer from extremes in mood due to diagnosed chemical imbalances in the brain. So much evidence is now mounting against these drugs (especially their addictive nature)that their efficacy has to be questioned. Then I could get started on some forms of psychotherapy and the motives of some "therapists". I wonder also if it isn't because so many people are "soul sick" because of the pace of our western lifestyle. I think it's a bit of a cop out to hang a label on someone then think everything will be OK. What happened to old fashioned fortitude and getting on with things? We look for the quick fix to things that have been simmering along for some time and this is why I love homeopathy with the one dose and wait, for the chronic ailment.
I think my friend who is worried about the alcohol is thinking about the memory patterns, although I know any remedies she has had in the past have been dispensed by a naturopath in a dropper bottle, unlabelled and in an alcohol base. I hadn't thought about the other alcohol in the environment, and am sure she wears perfume (which is heavily alcohol based. )
(oops ... blame the rants on the solstice..or the solar eclipse.. )

[ 23 June 2001: Message edited by: ozzie ]

Lets not forget iatrogenic induced illness, either.

This business of giving out allopathic meds (antidepressants) makes me sick!!

Just look at what has happened in Houston...just saw this today..and I'm sooooo upset about it.

This poor woman was prescribe Haldon (just a variation on Halcyon which was very controversial - sent people into psychotic rages...I know...my great aunt murdered my uncle 12 years ago while on this drug...so unlike her!!).

Look at these links...sorry, but WHEN are people going to WAKE up and make a connection here? And why is it that drug companies are ALLOWED to slightly alter a drug like Halcyon - i.e. Haldol!!!!! - and put it back on the market .

I'm just disgusted - sad for these children (5 murdered just days ago) and the poor husband...and yes, the wife/mother who did it in a pscyhotic spell on this damned drug (Haldol).
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/2001...dren_dc_3.html
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/2001...dren_dc_5.html
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/2001...dren_dc_6.html
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/2001...dren_dc_7.html
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/2001...ren_dc_10.html
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/2001...ren_dc_11.html
http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/2...2/3424740s.htm
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/topstory/950318
http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/art...2001Jun21.html
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/2001..._slain_26.html

[ 23 June 2001: Message edited by: LisaAnnan ]

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Snoopy, I KNOW I deserved that response! And I hope I haven't offended. I was just letting off some steam--not directed at you or anything you said! Obviously, I'd been affected after seeing yet another SSRI drug ad for "PMDD", which is now the new excuse for pathologizing even more natural states and functions of the female body. "PMDD" is the New Disorder term for what used to be labelled "PMS"...otherwise known as that time of the month when women do not have estrogen coursing through their bodies to suppress a justifiable anger--when hormonally they're running on exactly the same hormones men run on ALL THE TIME. But, apparently, modern medicine has now determined that that is when we need an SSRI substance to help us be pleasant and docile. Lord knows, women should be pleasant and docile at all costs, right? Particularly to themselves.

Perhaps I am having a "PMDD" moment myself.

Ozzie and Lisa, I have read about the violent aftereffects of the SSRI's myself, and oddly, most of the literature where you'll find this is info is Case Law documentation--it is widely known as a legal defense, namely, The Prozac Defense; it has had to be employed many times in court cases where individuals who were prescribed the drug underwent the violent changes we now know are its side effects. Lawyers began to notice early on that SSRI's were not adequately tested and administered to numbers of people who all seemed to suffer the same emotional change before becoming exceedingly violent--depression, to stability, to erratic behaviour, then (in some cases murderous) violence. Even though Eli Lilly was trying hard to ignore and keep silent about the side effects of their drug (Prozac's a fantastic moneymaker, that's for sure--and it helped tremendously to have their largest shareholder sitting in the President's office in Washington, where he could make sure the drug got to market really quickly, and no bad publicity circulated about the drug), lawyers noticed the hardly coincidental commonality of SSRIs in these cases of extremely violent crimes.
They are not unlike the one Lisa mentioned--people on the SSRI would "snap", and kill family members, close friends, people at work, and then (if they weren't stopped) themselves.

Dr. Peter R. Breggin has been one of the most outspoken psychiatrists on the subject of these stimulant anti-depressants, and has written many books on the topic--the first being the excellent "Talking Back To Prozac".
He has a website at: http://www.breggin.com As a psychiatrist he takes a radical treatment approach--he advocates the use of empathy, compassion, and choice in treating patients. He's also been very thorough in exposing the often racist and generally manipulative angle behind much of the "science" in psychiatric theory and practice. He's a real eye-opener. Wish there were more doctors like him (and I bet he'd make an amazing homeopath!)

As for Haldol, my mother in law was prescribed this drug after she asked to have an alternative to Atavan--both were prescribed to her after her husband died, for (are you ready?)Grief. (Then again, I ought not to be surprised. When she suffered a yeast infection one year, the doctor "treated" it with Hormone Replacement Therapy. She had several months of menstruation 7 years after she completed her menopause, and doctors told her that was "normal").

Maybe I am too quick to dismiss here, but now any time I hear a new "disorder" and see that its "treatment" involves some severe SSRI antidepressant, I can't help but think
"B. S."

P. S.: there was a rumour circulating in the early 90's that President Bush was on Halcyon when he exacerbated conditions in Kuwait and Iraq...don't you think declaring a war that is still being waged unofficially (with sanctions in place still, plus the occasional refreshed bombing effort being made by other insecure Bush folk) is the biggest violent, mass-murder act going?

Divina

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