since the other thread, with the help of many of us including moi, i'm afraid, got hijacked ....

do you think one's constitutional remedy ever changes?

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Bach,
I've not read the previous posts - only seen yours.
So till my thesis is posted ( , the answer is that one has to be careful with what one terms as the "consitutional".

The dilemma here is to perceive what needs to be cured in the case and what is the path followed. So ideally, I'd like deepest possible required remedy to be called the consitutional - anything before that or other than that is not - they are similimums to the presenting picture/portriat of disease.

But I can assure you the term is loosely used in a variety of situations.
So in the hope of getting somewhere close...
doctorleela

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[ 12. January 2004, 17:23: Message edited by: carolorr ]

Boo. Quick, run away!!

Bach

By the way, if you'd actually bothered to think about my posts on the other thread you would discover that the thread was not hijacked but brought to its only logical conclusion by a demonstration of the internal logical inconsistency that you had all come up against.

It's obvious that your question is unanswerable because your terms are undefined. It is clear that you have no proper definition of health so can't decide whether the usual state of a person is something warranting treatment by a constitutional remedy or not. So Bach's question is unaskable in any formal sense.

But dividing up into two camps with each shouting that it is right because their cases respond correctly just makes my point for me about the uselessness of your evidence base.

For what it's worth, within your own philosophy it seems obvious to me that Hans W's views were correct about the non-validity of the concept of a constitutional remedy.

[ 12. January 2004, 16:30: Message edited by: Jazz Bee ]

HI Bach,
I would say that about 50% of my patients end up with a "constitutional" remedy within the first 3 months of treatment - and they very rarely need anything else except in acute infections.
I think these are mostly children, and adults with uncomplicated medical histories. In the sense less multisystem symptom expression during their lifetime.

In the rest, we're moving from picture to picture, sometimes changing a remedy every month or two months as something different comes up - either change in modalities or change in emotional state.

To give you an idea, presently I'm on a remedy that works if I have a migraine, or an acute viral/bacterial infection or even just feeling emotionally aand physically stressed by my workload. The same remedy sees me through each situation within 24 hours.
This remedy also antidotes within 2-3 hours, an unindicated acute remedy that may produce an aggravation or proving symptoms.
So i'd say this is probably my "constitutional" remedy. Though I may need an acute (often complementary) remedy from time to time.

BUt you'll have to look me up in another 4-5 years to find out if I'm still on the same remedy. Because one can only know in retrospect how long the remedy has helped and if one had to move to another remedy based on the change in picture.

The idea is we don't need to get stuck on what is called what.
Finally in the clinical situation, what matters is that we're curing the patient in the direction of Natures law of Cure (Hering's) and not causing suppression or palliation with the remedies chosen.
At all times, the general health of the person has to be constantly monitored to know that we're moving towards CURE - the best indicator are keeping a track of old chronic general problems like hypertension, Diabetes, thyroid problems, etc. Improvement in these disease symptoms, and you know you've hit the best remedy.

I promise, I'll still get to a description of the idea of "consitutional" someday! (Need that 1/5 hours again).
In hope!
doctorleela

[ 01. February 2004, 18:01: Message edited by: doctorleela ]

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leela

Brilliant. So, you take something permanently and most of the time you feel OK, except when you have 24hrs feeling unwell with a cold, headache or feeling a bit stressed. Sounds pretty much like life without such a remedy.

Since you're clearly active here now and have seen the recent posts, how about helping poor old ntpathy at;

http://www.homeopathyhome.com/cgi-bi...=007617#000032

Well, that sums it up well, I think, Dr. Leela.

Just have to say, once again I've had to take some phosphorus for what looked like the onset of a major flu...though, to be clear, all my symptoms rep'd out to pulsatilla.

Puls 30c had little effect; Puls 200c did not much more, Phos 200c was instantaneous in its effect and got rid of all symptoms very quickly, including what was becoming quite a hacking cough, aching joints, and chills.

It's definitely the acute remedy I need.
As for constitutional...who knows?

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I think there is a bit of truth to that belief--but I also think we're not all alike.

I have a hard time believing that when you're dealing with someone who is the product of generations of stressful, violent relations, with lots of serious pathology in each generation, you'll quite likely need to think about a number of remedies during case management.

But I've also read a couple of cases-one by David Little and one by Amy Lansing, where each saw the treatment of a patient with this kind of pathology do extremely well with just one remedy--carcinosin curing autism in Amy's case; and syphyilinum curing long-standing depression in David Little's case.

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I was at a Lecture by Janet Snowden on Sunday and she looks for the Holy Grail Rx as she puts it. She is of the ilk that believe that there is only 1 remedy for each personand that is what she strives to find.

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