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Old 15th April 2001, 09:59 PM
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Assuming that a year old child(A) can catch measles from another child (B)who has recently had the jab I have a question.
Child A develops symptoms (rash, streaming eyes, nose and unwell). If child A goes for his vaccination for MMR in due course, could a blood test show that he has had measles?and thus escape the MMR vaccination?
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Yes, the parent should tell the doctor that the child has probably had measles already and ask for a confirmatory blood test. If it were to come back positive, it would be a sound reason to ask for only the Mumps and Rubella jabs [if the parent is insistent on having those]. I believe it is the measles element of the jab that has been linked to autism and inflammatory bowel disease, so it would be well worth the trouble to eliminate the measles vaccine.
By the way, I had the MMR as an infant and I had a bad case of measles in my teens, causing myopia to worsen a lot. I also contracted mumps aged five but it did not
come out fully and I had a never well since from that episode.
Avoid all jabs if possible.
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I think it is now impossible to get the vaccinations for mumps, measles and rubella separately in the UK. It is a government ploy to stop parents opting out of one of them. I also believe that some parents are going to France to get it done!!
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Yes I heard that too, but I wonder if a GP would agree to a blood test to see if there were already measles antibodies before giving the MMR. Also what do you think could be the outcome if a body already had the resistance to measless and a vaccination against measles was given?
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just anotuer angle:
Vaccines have undergone an alteration by the way they are bread. One hopes that they become less virulent through that procedure. So, the immunity they create is different to the natural disease. A bloodtest then could show negative even if the child has developped immunity against the vaccine.
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Even if the child doesn't have the blood test but has the MMR vaccine (having apparently had measles already) - do you think he would be stronger to resist the foreign input of the vaccine than if he hadn't had measles - or weaker?
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Old 18th April 2001, 09:50 PM
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Just for general information, it is not an easy or pleasant task to take blood from a small child. - inmy experience - this would be done on the paediatric ward with several nurses holding the child down, parent looking on with distress, special paediatric blood bottles. Most GPs would be reluctant to take samples in the surgery - if phlebotomy is essential then the child is usually ill enough to be in hospital. I speak as a GP and former paediatric resident. Others may disagree, but those who have not been in the situation should be aware that the question of detecting measles antibodies is not necessarily a straightforward matter.
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hallo Wexdoc
Could you get in contact with me, as I still have patients in your area looking for an homeopath. I used to practise in New Ross co. Wx from 1990-1994. Thanks, Hans
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Old 19th April 2001, 09:34 PM
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Very much appreciate your input Wexdoc - that's all I need to know - it sounds as if the vaccination would be preferable to all that blood testing!( I know, I know - all you anti vaccination buffs, but thehusband in this case is GP's son and not a fan of homeopathy)

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