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Old 4th April 2001, 12:27 PM
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Does anyone have information handy on Vulpes Vulpes? The remedy's common name is Fox's blood, and Nuala Eising conducted a Hahnemannian proving on it in 1995. I can't seem to find her books anywhere lately (proving madness, everyone's bought up what they could of her books so I'd have to mailorder, and I don't wanna wait), so I'd love any details from someone who has her book handy....

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Divina,
sorry I don't have this one & know very little about it.
But here's a story; the proving was conducted at the same time as the chicken proving;(don't know the Latin name, but taken from the egg yolk I think). Well,the story is told with big amusement by onlookers, who were in-the-know, that the chicken provers had gone off to the pub, as you do. They had been making jerking head movements all day & wearing yellow & orange clothes (as you do ) but when the fox provers entered the bar, they got a bit distressed, started picking in the ashtrays, flapping about then huddled into one corner. The foxes made sly, menancing approaches towards the poor chickens & by all accounts a good night's entertainment was had (at least by some!).
It's no wonder local people think homeopathy students are utter lunatics really.
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That story almost makes up for the fact that NO ONE HAS INFORMATION ON THIS BLOODY (literally) REMEDY!!!!!

Oh, well, Louise, the story was excellent. I shall tell it to my friend, who told me all about being "blooded" after a hunt when she was a little girl. She's really interested in the remedy...and I know she'll laugh hard over the provers at the pub.

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Bloody typical; can't get a proving book when you most need it!
What is this ritual about being bloodied? Did she get wiped with fox blood? Not very nice I assume.
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Yes--something like that. She lived in a manor house as a child and was allowed to join in a hunt for the first time when she was 13 years old. As it was her first hunt, she was "marked" with the blood of the fox (apparently the paw was cut off and the end was touched to her face--so both right and left cheeks were marked with blood). She told me she was not to wash her face until that blood wore off--and vividly remembers attending a ball that evening in a white organza gown.

Sounds very bizarre to little old me, but she remembers this as a very exciting ritual in which she was officially accepted as an adult in the family (no longer just one of the children. Heck--it sounds far more interesting than what I got to celebrate that "rite of passage" into adulthood!). So, vulpes vulpes must have some hint of this ritual's significance somewhere in the proving, right? That's what I was trying to discern.

I also wonder whether this kind of ritual was commonly practiced--or whether this was just what was done in her family. I've never read about that before, but my friend says that the practice is very old.

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Divina,
Where did this happen in the world?
Wish I had the info. now to muse on this one!
If my memory serves me correctly, some of the menacing approaches made by fox provers onto chicken provers were of a sexual nature, but you would expect this with certain animals ( somehow can't imagine a sexy chicken!) and where there's sex, there's ritual.
You could say she was a foxy lady with the white dress and all.
Rites of passage; try 'Get that dinner made, then light that fire!'
Ah..fond memories of budding womanhood...
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Hi Louise!

I see your rites of passage were rather civilized and restrained, compared to mine (which, alas, also arrived in the "imperative" voice!). Have to ask, though: did yours include wearing some kind of highly out-of-character outfit, and some wickedly uncomfortable shoes? I'm just doing a little informal survey....

My friend is in her early 60's now, quite a fabulous woman! But this took place in England, about 50 years ago. I don't know where exactly and I would not say if I did (she might be reading, and would recognize herself!).

I wondered about that sexual aspect of the ritual--especially since blood is involved! But she told me all the other "kids" about her age who took part in the hunt for the first time were blooded, she was not the only one. Then they all got formally dressed and went to the ball, faces still streaked with the dried marks. Foxy ladies and gentlemen?

They say all the animal remedies have this sexual aspect to them--sexual predators or aggressors...so I suspect even Chickens have this somewhere (think about those noisy, possessive roosters). Hard to imagine, yes I know, but the idea has already been exploited by comedians and comedy sketch artists here in NA.

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Just a little tidbit from the German speaking realms:

Ein eitler Gockel means - a vain rooster !!

Cockadoodledoo ...

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I am shocked at myself for forgetting the cock!!
This is a wake-up call; obviously I've been working too hard again!
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Oh, shoes, don't talk! Stilletto sandals accompanied by a pencil skirt and 'champagne' tights; rain, hail or shine, the sheer skill required to walk down the street was considerable; if you had to run (like before the da got back from work to voice his objections in colourful language)then you ran! Ankles have never been the same since. Maybe the western equivilant of feet-binding. Very interested in survey findings Divina!
(Also love-bites were covered with tooth paste but the minty smell was a give away.)
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