Hello

I am wondering if anyone knows if the Neem Tree has a Homoeopathic Proving?

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MJM

Dear MJM,

Yes, we have a proving of Neem under Botanical Name AZADIRACHTA INDICA", but only the bark was used. There is mention in Clark's & Boericke's Materia Medica.

Shashi Roy - Thank you
I don't know how I missed it when I was looking through clarkes!

I can guess may be right or wrong. Shashi Roy
and MJM are the same personalities.

MJM ask a question and Shashi replied him. Just to tell us. He knows the Botanical name of NEEM.

Same time emailed
same day
same day email server yahoo registeration
same computer code (miracle of cr software) from which email posted
same location ( but written australia in profile)
no entries were disclosed due to shortage of time by MJM in his profile



But I dont mind the way of teaching. A Ayurvedic doctor (see profile) is telling us that we are useing NEEM in our treatment. You can use it in homoeopathy too but by another name.


[This message has been edited by DR.MAS (edited 22 March 2001).]

Just what is your point DrMas? Really?

Who cares if Shashi Roy has another alias or not?

My Respectable Lisa

Today! I am in hurry. I have to take the class. I will give you the answer in detail but on Monday. As our college will be closed tomorrow. Waaaaiiiiitttt

[This message has been edited by DR.MAS (edited 24 March 2001).]

WOW! DR.MAS you are very observant - However you are wrong - we are separate people....

Do you have any other information on the proving of Neem???

Dear Lisa!

The post between MJM and my respectable Shashi Roy reminds me a joke.

Two children were travelling in a plane. One asked to other

Child A: Where are you going?
Child B: I am going to Pakistan
Child B: And where are you going?
Child A: I am also going to Pakistan
Child A: In which city you are residing?
Child B: I live in New Karachi.
Child B: And where you ….
Child A: I also live in New Karachi.
Child A: In Which locality, your house is situated.
Child B: Sector 5-F
Child B: What is your Sector No ….
Child A: Same …..
Child B: What is your House No?
Child A: 155/2
Child A: And what is your House No?
Child B: I am also residing in House No. 155/2
Child B: What is your Father name?
Child A: Abid
Child A: What is your Father name?
Child B: Abid

The person who was sitting, close to them, Said “ You are living in the same house and your father name is also same, but you don’t know each other.”

One of the child replied, “ We are real brother. We are just memorizing our home address.”

MJM and Shashi, also done the same technique, just to memorize the name of NEEM tree.

As I have mentioned in my previous post that I have no objection with the procedure to initiate a new topic or pass comments by changing user name. Many members / moderators are doing the same trick.

But this trick certainly reveals following points.

1. Personality Complex: Maximum members / moderators of this forum are suffering from Personality Phobia (including myself). They want to prove to others that they know much better then the other. They have much better understanding then the others. Because they have made an image of their personality on various Bulletin Boards including this one. Their personalities and so called images prevent them not to ask basic questions or passed rude remarks on homoeopathy. Hence they used to enter on this BB and other forums with different names. So that their so called images may not be disturbed. If somebody ask a question and if they do not know the answer they will give you the answer by changing their name. So that if it goes wrong, their image may not be disturbed.

2. Trying to deceive other: by hiding profile entries. Many members are doing this practice.

3. Just for enjoyment: and not for reading or learning

4. Trying to diccourage other: As Ricky done it. When jshah asked simple question about acute and chronic disease.

5. For maintaining status symbol: One member is acknowledging to other without logic. Saluting to one another and their status. As you have done many time, when there was no logic. To cover up your favoured personalities.

6. For Advertisement: in order to gain cheapest famousity among world homoeo community. Just to put irrelevant titles and comments.

7. Lack of Confidence: As Anna Bryant done it. When DP asked her to prescribe a medicine for his son Riyan. After long discussion. She mailed her recommendation by email and wasted our time.

8. To bring one down: This is the most common practice. I observed daily. It is routine matter by changing user name.

9. Trying to disgrace other: When Dr. Bhatia done it. When a discussion was going on under one title. He used cut and paste method and put a new topic on the forum and trying to become a SHERLOCK HOME. Although he could give all his rude remarks in the same running post. But he had showed his intention that he is the most clever person but actually he is not.

10. Not to acknowledge someone capability If a person is competent. Peoples will try their best not to acknowledge his capability by changing user names. We people have no courage to accept someone distinction in some specific field.

11. Initiate new topic by changing user name in which he/she has good command and competency and then like a scholar giving comprehensive remarks by entering with original name just to create impression that he/she knows extra ordinary things on this specific topic. This generally happen when somebody wants to tell us about some new informative site.


But all these things required extra ordinary qualification, computer background and subject command with practical experience. Other wise an average IQ person easily recognize you.

I have seen so many blunders, committed by our honourable members and specially by moderators. This is due to the lack of basic knowledge about Chemistry, Zoology and Botany. Which is daring need in Homoeopathy. Many of them have obtained Diplomas without attending regular classes but through Internet or through correspondence from unrecognized Colleges.

Our most of the medicines are derived from Plants and Animals. A few of them are Elements and some of them are Compounds. We are dependent on various Compounds (e.g. Sodium Chloride) prepared with the help of Chemistry knowledge. Dr. Samuel Hahnemann was a famous Chemist too. He had vast knowledge on chemistry. But we do not even know the difference between

Remedy ** Medicine ** Drug ** Compound ** Mixture

Our homoeopath by all means tried their best to include homoeopathy into science. But they do not want to accept the difference between Compound and Mixture, Drug and Medicine with reference to Science (Chemistry)

Let’s see the difference. I will try my best to explain the phenomenon in layman language so that rest of the members could also enjoy. In homoeopathy, Sodium Chloride is a single Medicine and not a compound. Quite right with reference to homoeopathy because it has been proved as Sodium Chloride and not Sodium and Chlorine. Hence it is a single medicine in homoeopathy, inspite of having two elements Sodium and Chlorine. But in chemistry, this Sodium Chloride is surely a compound and have its own properties. Compounds in chemistry cannot be separated by physical means.

If two elements COMBINE together in fixed mass ratio and to form a new substance having new/different properties as compared to previous ingredients, then this substance is called a compound. So in chemistry, Compound means COMBINATION of two or more substance in some FIXED RATIO with DIFINITE change in the properties of new substance or product. For example, Sodium Chloride is a compound. Water is a compound, because it has oxygen and hydrogen in a fixed mass ratio of weight 8:1, Moreover, the properties of water are different from oxygen and Hydrogen.

But in homoeopathy, COMBINATION means just to combine two medicine to form a compound/combination.

In Chemistry mixture is obtained by mixing two or more elements or compounds in any ratio while retaining specific properties of ingredients. In other words, In mixture, if you will add two substance together. No new product will be formed and basic substances will keep their original properties.

In homoeopathy, when you will combine sodium chloride (a compound in chemistry but a single medicine in homoeopathy) in glass of water (a compound in chemistry but a single medicine in homoeopathy), a new COMBINATION will be formed in homoeopathy but this new combination will be called MIXTURE in chemistry. Remember! Sodium Chloride does not react with water. The ingredients of this mixture will show their separate properties (with reference to chemistry) although they are combination with reference to homoeopathy. Our homoeopaths called them a new compound but Chemist are saying this is not a compound.

In chemistry drug may be a compound or single element (Selenium). A medicine can be formed with the combination of drug, in order to administer to patient. DRUG IS THE BASIC INGRIDENT of medicine and is called raw material or crude form or MEDICINAL SUBSTANCE. Most of our homoeopathic medicine generally proved in the form of DRUG.

Now read the most important paragraph of this discussion. In homoeopathy, if somebody asked you to please administer the MEDICINE to a patient, then it means you will give a proved medicine generally in the form of potency because this specific medicine means, the medicine has been proved for some specific symptoms or disease. Remember this proved medicine is the combination of drug but actually not a drug. On the other hand, if you are going to give a drug to your patient then you are not doing homoeopathy because drug means basic raw material or crude form, which has yet to be proved for some specific symptoms or disease.

Simply says, in homoeopathy, Medicine means proved substance ready for administration to a patient and drug means unproved substance not ready for administration.

These things are quite confusing but not for those who know chemistry. I am not telling you something NEW. All are written in middle school chemistry book. Samuel Hahnemann was a chemist. He knew the difference. So he used these words in his organon with reference to chemistry. Now let’s see what Great Hahnemann said

Quote:

It is not conceivable how the slightest dubiety could exist as to whether it was more consistent with nature and more rational to prescribe a single well-known medicine at one time in a disease, or a mixture of several differently acting drugs.

If you will read this post with reference to chemistry and by placing all other aphorism a side, then you can easily follow the point.

In Hahnemann’s opinion, If you can easily approach to a single medicine (proved substance having symptoms) and that medicine has result too or healing properties then why you are prescribing mixture of drugs (not proved substance) to a patient.

In Hahnemann’s period, it was common practice of allopath and homoepath that they were generally using mixtures with several number of drugs (not proved) in order to manage their patient’s diseases. Hahnemann was against in such type of practice. Actually this address was for specially to allopaths and not for homoeopaths. He was talking to them in their technical language and trying to create the importance of simple homoeopathic medicine among the allopaths as compared to mixture of several drugs. He was assuring to them that his simple substance could give you the same result, which you are trying to take from a mixture of several differently acting drugs. This aphorism does not tell us not to use combination of medicine in homoeopathy but tell us not to use combination of drugs in allopathy and homoeopathy, leave allopathy and join homoeopathy.

Dr MAS,
Funny how you don't include yourself in any of your criticisms except number 1.

When I post, I do so with logic - at least it is logical to me as what others post is logical to them. For you to post what you did above, and name people as "lacking confidence, trying to discourage each other and saluting to one another and their status" - is just amazingly raw and rude, imo.

You accuse me of this particular 'gem' (saluting others and their status). What status exactly are you referring too? (that is a RHETORICAL question, no need to answer, really). I have no illusions that I am a student and have said so openly and freely since I've been posting on this BB. Also, as far as your point on logic, we all operate from our own personal knowledge base and try our best - at least I do - when we post information. I've often said I defer to the more experienced, as have many others. So, no - I do not agree that I post to 'boost others status or post illogically. BTW: I have told you before that the 'title', moderator, which seems strangely and disproportionately important to you, is merely in my username because I moderate my School's forum. It is much easier to use one user name than having to switch each I time I change from the open forums to the private. I make no apologies for using my username in both forums and why should you care? No one else does.

To point out anothers lack of confidence is simply insensitive and shows an acrimonious nature and desire to 'stir up trouble' on your part. I believe this would qualify YOU for number 4 on your list! Funny, I ran across a rubric that describes this the other day, people who enjoy inciting trouble.

To accuse others of having aliases is also silly and makes it obivous you take some strange pleasure in 'exposing' people. But, for the record, I personally have never had another 'username' on this bb (jonh can verify this, I'm sure) and do not plan too. Others may, and probably have a variety of reasons for doing so. Whatever those reasons - cowardice, shyness, lack of confidence, perhaps they want to ask a question that they feel they would be ridiculed by people like you... - whatever it is - what gives you the moral superiority to point it out? And really what is the point, except to try and boost your own 'sleuthing skills' and try to redeem your tainted reputation for causing trouble in the past?

As for your comment on people trying to bring others down - that is what you do, my dear - and so well, sadly. Why don't you rethink your own motives, before coming here and trying to build some little empire for yourself?

This board is for discussing Homeopathy - so if you want to delve into abnormal psychology, I'm sure there are many other sites out there that would welcome you.

I believe Dr Bhatia sussed you the first time round, and your post here confirms it, sadly. Hence, your scathing remarks above in reference to him. I had reserved judgement and had hoped you would just participate in discussing Homeopathy in a spirit of learning....but can see you're trying to make some grandiose point.

As for your comments on compounds, etc - I fail to see your point in relation to exposing others, showing up their human frailties (and so insensitively), and insulting just about everyone who posts here.

I'm not interested in 'biting' or even wasting my energy on the latter part of your post, as no discussion with you is clean cut and clear - but seems to be a trap set by you, to try and either embarrass others, show them your 'superior' knowledge, or accuse them of some other motive other than just participating.

You seem to forget we're all just human and doing our best to participate and learn. And that there will be and there are different personalities here. But, I have to say that really, your posts are disturbing, and it is sad you don't just post about Homeopathy, rather than try to wreak havoc.

People are not stupid and don't really need you or anyone else to create an acromonious spirit here in some self-righteous effort to expose others tendencies - good or bad.

Nuff said.

I hope that jonh sees your post and will see what you are up too, yourself.

Lisa



[This message has been edited by Lisa~Annan (edited 27 March 2001).]

Lisa - applause

Dr.Mas - seems you are spending way too much time worried about what others here are doing, I only wish I had the time to check up on all the members and their posts. Why would you even think to do so? Seems there is a lot of paranoia here.