thanks for the note on freud, albert,

i would add that even in a dynamic whole, there are parts, and that in itself the focus on parts and processes is not allopathic, certainly not in spirit. even more, i think you will look far and wide and never find a closer analog to 'vital force' than 'libido.' i'm getting to be on pretty familiar territory now with homeopathy as well as psychoanalysis, and i assure you they share a very distinctive kinship, especially in the way they heal, except that homeopathy is more certain and more thoroughgoing clinically, if not experientially.

bach

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"The need to perform adjustments for covariates...weakens the findings." BMJ Clinical Evidence: Mental Health, (No. 11), p. 95.... It's that simple, guys: bad numbers make bad science.

I'm not sure I agree that the libido parallels the life force.

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somehow, i didn't think you would!

how about the 'transference neurosis' as analog to like-cures-like?

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"The need to perform adjustments for covariates...weakens the findings." BMJ Clinical Evidence: Mental Health, (No. 11), p. 95.... It's that simple, guys: bad numbers make bad science.

Re transference neurosis--you never know, it may not be the similimum your patient needs! And the potency may be off, even if it is the similimum needed. Sounds funny, but you better believe, its true!

I'm not sure how much of Freud's work would have been influenced by Hahnemann...after all, Freud was initially based in Vienna at a time when homeopathy would have been widely used and recognized. And Hahnemann certainly was renown for his groundbreaking observations and work with the mentally ill...he was the first to advocate compassionate treatment instead of penalization and cruelty.

I wonder if anyone's ever done a biography of Freud where this potential source of information was actually included.

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hi cha cha - you're awake, too? what time is it there? actually, i should still be sleeping, but, o well ...

anyway, you make an interesting point about H's possible influence on freud - i've certainly never seen anything to that effect, and would be surprised if there was a connection, but stranger things, you know .... especially as, who'd have ever looked for the connection in the first place? maybe i will ... but not today

also, i couldn't agree more that H was the first to introduce a truly humane treatment of the mentally ill. his advice to refrain from 'educating' (ed: = "arguing with") these patients is an enormous breakthrough; although certainly more austere in his 'bedside manner,' freud's 'non-directive' approach embodies the same ethos, and reflects that kind of tolerance and patience and waiting that builds the sense of the holding environment. this is also one of the things i think draws the parallel between homeopathy and psychoanalysis: the 'work' of the remedy or of the 'interpretation' just happens: if it's the right remedy, or the right interpretation, it will have an effect. if the remedy - or the interpretation - is off the mark, it will fade out of the picture without a trace, no need to hammer at the patient: his reactions will let you know if you've touched on anything that fits the case.

same with the transference neurosis and its interpretation. in psychoanalysis, ideally in any therapy, "timing and dosage" are key elements, and the transference neurosis itself develops at its own pace and in its own style, and it won't develop if it's not an appropriate instrument (remedy) for healing for that patient. one of the things i think is very admirable in psychoanlytic practice, is that one must assess at the outset whether the patient is suitable for the method, and refer out if he is not - or use other methods yourself: supportive, problem focused, whatever .... originally, psychoanalysis was designed only for a small group of psychoneurotic disorders; as time has gone on, new thinking has modified analytic procedures and expanded its understanding so that it could be used, if not in exactly its classical format, for an increasing number of disorders, borderline conditions among them, for example.

because of the characteristics of my own patient caseload, my own use of psychoanalytic methods is pretty limited. the treatment, like the remedy, in short, i agree, has to fit the case.

but when it fits, i guess my point is that the transference neurosis, reflecting a repetition in the therapeutic relationship of feelings and complexes from childhood, represents a truly 'similar' symptom picture to the original neurosis, and it is through the resolution of the transference neurosis, in a classical analysis, that the childhood neurosis is resolved. but i'm not saying it is homeopathy - just that much in their spirit and 'dynamis' harmonize quite well.

bach

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"The need to perform adjustments for covariates...weakens the findings." BMJ Clinical Evidence: Mental Health, (No. 11), p. 95.... It's that simple, guys: bad numbers make bad science.

I think constitutional remedy also change with the passage of time and environment.

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You know, Bach, I do recall that Rajan Sankaran writes a description of a "like cures like" situation in consultation that might be exactly what you're calling "transference neurosis".

Can't remember what book its in...but the Soul of Remedies seems to strike me as the one. Have a read and see if it isn't what you're describing.

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Oh, yes, Bach, I am up early. Usually at about 5:30am. I've got a couple of hours to do my correspondence, an hour or so to make phone calls, then my "day" actually starts. But, I need about 2 hours of silent "alone" time--to have coffee, eat breakfast, and read. That's when you'll usually find me here--before I start work.

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thanks for the lead on sankaran, cha cha. as for 'being awake,' for some reason i had you located in australia! then you said 5:30AM and that didn't seem right - but you're in canada. that clears it up.

me? i like to stay up late and sleep in. but don't always get to.

anyway, good morning!

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"The need to perform adjustments for covariates...weakens the findings." BMJ Clinical Evidence: Mental Health, (No. 11), p. 95.... It's that simple, guys: bad numbers make bad science.

Hi Divina
Phos can also supress--
If it would cure, you would not have needed all the other remedies.

yes-- being a human is suffering.
But CONSTITUION is not disease.
We can suffer Chronic miasmatic disease, but that is another thing than CONSTITUION.
so- there cannot and is not any constituional remedies in homeopathy.

But then again, everyone is free to hold onto their opinions even they are wrong and unreasonable. And so did Kuenzli.

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