Need your thoughts here:

One of the eliminating symptoms is differentiating remedies based on the generals ( cold & hot remedies) that Kents has advised.

The question, even if a person's mentals & and also some peculiar symptoms match a particular remedy greatly, yet could it be eliminated because it did not match the general?

For example, if a person's mental matches Nux irritability, short temper etc...and yet the person desires cold all the time, then
can Nux be automatically eliminated..??

like wise if a childs mentals match the pulsatilla's mentals but feels cold all the time, then would puls be ruled out..

your thoughts please.

This is such a good question. You would think if kent narrows things down like this...but I've heard otherwise. Maybe the temp thing has to be a truely outstanding bother to the person. Or there is always the polarities issue..like lachesis talking all the time, they can also not say a word...maybe that can switch with the temperature...or maybe it means there are layers. I wish someone would respond to this question.

I kmow to disregard in children as most children tend to be warm. I have jst given Lycopodiun to a lady who has hot, sweaty hands but all the other symptoms fit. It will be interesting to see how it goes!!

That is indeed interesting, Ricky, as Lyc was indicated in me...and yet, I have hot sweaty hands too - also the feet...can't stand to have them covered (throw my shoes off at every opportunity )....
and, guess what?

Lyc has done wonders so far...major progress in the last 3 months...so maybe you'll see some very good progress .

Lisa
ps..great question above,hp!! I've often wondered that, myself...ahhhhh, so much to absorb

ppss...I'm still studying the rem's, hp...and I should've looked that up...hmmm, I'm a hot person, so I guess my post was moot - thanks for pointing that out!

[This message has been edited by Lisa007 (edited 29 September 2000).]

But Lycopodium is considered a hot remedy as per Kent, so if the mentals match, then lyc would be suitable & appropriate.
Another remedy in question is silica which the person lacks the GRIT, and it is a cold remedy.

Now Rajan S. very clearly goes after the mentals, and he has claimed very good sucess.

I have often given a remedy that suits the mentals/emotionals but is contraindicated by the generals or physicals, and have it cure anyway!

I recently gave Sil to a patient who hated the heat and loved the cold, because the issue in her life was about image, maintaining the perfect image, living up to others' ideas of how she should act. The remedy is even curing her hot-bloodedness!

David

That is indeed interesting!!

So, one needs to be extra cautious in reportorising based on the elimination concept, for you potentially could eliminate an important remedy.

Wasn't it Kent who warned about eliminating remedies? I seem to remember one needing to be cautious about this....hmmmm...

I'll look it up - I know it's here somewhere - I read it recently!

I'll post it when I find it.
Lisa

[This message has been edited by Lisa007 (edited 29 September 2000).]

Found it!! It's in Kent's MM - on page 1436....looooonnnnngggg explanation, so I won't copy all here..but here is the beginning.

"ELIMINATING SYMPTOMS"

This is a new word, but expresses what we all desire in repertorising, and what we have got to be very chary of using too rigidly, lest we lost the remedy we are looking for.

Instances best reveal meanings. Take one. Say your patient complains of dyspepsia, with burning pain in the stomach, and the frequent vomiting of sour fluid. He pours you out particulars, which he has at his finger-tips; since they are just the symptoms that impress his consciousness in a very realistic way. You jot them down till you have got the case as fully as most people go, with all its modalities (i.e. the conditions as to heat and cold, movement and rest, position, hours of the day and night, relation to food and drink, etc., of the stomach condition complained of). You have assured yourself, by careful examination, as to whether the trouble is likely to be organic or functional; or whether some of the symptoms have got to be discounted, as secondary to some gross lesion. And now it is you turn.

You have to elicit the General symptoms of your patient; you have got to switch him off the siding 'my,' and find that he cannot stand heat - whatever his stomach may do; that he is ill if long out in the sun; that he wants a cool room, prefers cold weather and a cold climate; that he never goes near the fire; and you noticed when he came in that, though the weather was cold, he was not buttoned up, or thickly clothed. It is not closeness or stuffiness so much that affects him (you have got to be careful between these!) but HEAT. He is one of Dr. G. Miller's "predominately hot-remedy people." THERE IS AN ELIMINATING SYMPTOM FOR YOU!

You know at once, whatever his stomach condition may be (its particular symptoms might perhaps be equally well-met by Ars., Phos., Nux., Lyc., Nat-Mur., or a host of others); but with that temperament, that warm personality, it would be useless for deep and curative work to think of giving him Ars., Phos., Nux. or Sep. He is a hot patient, and these are predominately cold remedies. You can strike them out at once. For even if one of them, aptly fitting the exact stomach symptoms only, gave temporary relief to the immediate condition, the patient would relapse again and again. It could not hold. It would act as a palliative, not a curative drug. It might provide a temporary organ-stimulus; it could never be the stimulus of the organism. And here you see well the difference between deep and superficial work - between curative and palliative.

The people who get their honest triumphs in SIMILARS, and see at least brilliant temporary results in superficial and acute conditions, and believe honestly that these are the very best attainable by medicine, scout the idea of the lasting triumphs of the SIMILLIMUM. The know well, from years of experience, their own limitations; and it seems to them outrageous that other people should make larger claims. As a matter of fact, when you get the real simillimum, the odds are that, instead of palliating the stomach condition, you will aggravate it a thousandfold - for the moment; aggravate it, once and for all, to cure. And if you do not know your work, you will think that you have got the wrong medicine and antidote or change it; and your patient will be, so far as you are concerned, incurable. But it may be your ignorance only that makes him so!......."

Hope this helps... .
Lisa
PS...I wonder, Djkempson, if the rem will hold for that lady, in view of what Kent says...any thoughts? Interesting to ponder, though.



[This message has been edited by Lisa007 (edited 30 September 2000).]

And, that wasn't the half of it!!

Is that better now?? Hope so.

I thought about breaking it up, but hate (when I'm quoting) to change anything, and this was in the form I originally posted....but I agree it's diff to read when it all runs together..so, next time, I'll just make a note that I've broken it up for ease, to read.

Lisa