Because it is nonsense?

If you were treating someone for tendonitis in the elbow, would you expect them to finish treatment with cracked fingertips?

"Because it is nonsense? "................................................. .

Where did you get you training/schooling for homeopathy? Just curious?
Lets go over this once again:

Constantine Hering is widely known as "The Father of American Homeopathy" and was profoundly revered by his contemporaries. His influence extended across the larger part of the USA for the best part of the 19th century with the result that homoeopathy flourished in that country for about 70 years.
Constantine Hering was a German Homeopath who emigrated to the U.S. in the 1830's. He observed that healing occurs in a consistent pattern. He described this pattern in the form of three basic laws which homeopaths can use to recognize that healing is occurring. This pattern has been recognized by acupuncturists for hundreds of years and is also used by practitioners of herbalism and other healing disciplines.
According to the first of Hering's laws, healing progresses from the deepest part of the organism - the mental and emotional levels and the vital organs - to the external parts, such as skin and extremities.
Hering's second law states that, as healing progresses, symptoms appear and disappear in the reverse of their original chronological order of appearance. Homeopaths have consistently observed that their patients re-experience symptoms from past conditions.
According to Hering's third law, healing progresses from the upper to the lower parts of the body. For instance, a person is considered to be on the mend if the arthritic pain in his neck has decreased although he now has pain in his finger joints.
As the symptoms change in accordance with Hering's Law, it is common for individual symptoms to become worse than they had been before treatment. If healing is truly in progress, the patient feels stronger and generally better in spite of the aggravation. Before long, the symptoms of the aggravation pass, and leave the person healthier on all levels.


The major English writings of Hering are:

•1. A Concise View of the Rise and Progress of Homoeopathic Medicine (1833)
•2. The Homoeopathist, or Domestic Physician (2 volumes, 1835)
•3. Hahnemann's Three Rules Concerning the Rank of Symptoms
•4. Analytical Therapeutics
•5. The Guiding Symptoms of Our Materia Medica (10 volumes, 1879 - 1891). Completed after his death by homoeopaths and students.

Still Nonsense.......................................... .................................................. .....?????????????

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Oldstyle,

"tendonitis -> cracked finger-tips"...

It seems to me that your understanding is a bit rigid.

WHat this "law" says is that if you were treating someone for tendonitis and the condition has improved, you would know that you made the person healthier if they came up with something which is more periferal as a symptom - and what exactly would it be depends on this person's individual constitution and health history, maybe a rash on the palms of the hands, or some acute cold with a lot of discharges, but obviously you cannot really "expect" any particular thing to appear - unless you are an omniscient God themselves? - and you would know that you made the person sicker if after tendonitis improved, they would end up with something more "internal", like say, subacute kidney condition with vague symptomatology, or maybe clinical depression...
But obviously the "next" state of health will not usually appear overnight, but will become clear only in the long-tern (at least several months, or more often a couple of years).

These laws are a sort of guidelines for long-term case management, and they were derived by clinical observations actually, have you discussed this with a clinician who keeps good long-term records of his patient's sates of health (like a typical homeopath would do) - before proclaiming that this is nonsense?

It seems that Gina was posting almost at the same time as I did, well, let's hope it will make the point clearer.

Sounds to me like you are making an appeal to authority. I'm not convinced.

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Herings "law" remains nonsense as stated. It implies the numerous empirical phenomina which we don't see. E.g that a cure of elbow tendonitis would gradually lead to cracked fingertips, as the sickness traveled outwards and towards the surface.

Old Style,

Please, give us the exact reference to a document which clearly states that "a cure of elbow tendonitis would gradually lead to cracked fingertips"? I mean, a document, saying that Hering Law states that this is the only possible way that events could develop after " a cure of elbow tendonitis"?

Dear Oldstyle
The same Wikipedia you quote is the same Wikipedia that slanders Homeopathy. Is this your source of information?
suggestion for the future;
try and ignore wikipedia and take a look at
www.wiki4cam.org


Still have not answered my question"Where did you get your Homeopathic Education from"?Are you even a Homeopathic Practicioner?
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Thanks Elena,Your Expl. For Herings Law should explain it simply enough.

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Oldstyle-
For a practicioner to do a follow up on a patient it is a must that he/she knows these "Laws Of cure."
Otherwise its a guessing game .
Just because something gets well (suppressed) by a topical cream does NOT indicate a cure,Infact just the opposite.
There are Many other forms of this thing called "Suppression" in homeopathic practice.This can be done 1-by faulty homeopathic prescribing
2-using combination remedies
3-lotions/creams via external applications
4-supressing flow of sweat,cough,tears,urine,menses(bodily fluids)
5-repeated dosing of remedies
6-wrong potency used
7-use of allopathic meds (iatrogenic symptoms)
8-use of surgery

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"Great ideas often recieve violent opposition from mediocre minds"...................Einstein

Oldstyle quote:"Herings "law" remains nonsense as stated. It implies the numerous empirical phenomina which we don't see"..................
Who Is "WE"......................You and who else?


Hering’s law of cure :

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I'm just taking what Gina posted to its logical conclusion, disease travels downwards and outwards during its "cure".

So you have invented something that has never ever been mentioned anywhere and noone, homeopath or otherwise, has ever claimed to have seen or rely upon, but which seems logical to you, and then try to tell someone (Gina) that because you (personally or as a group?) fail to observe this in reality , then a generalisation made by someone else on the basis of their extensive clinical observations (which does not, though maybe it might in principle, include your imaginary situation) is false?

Do you have any idea of just how many clinical manifestaions that could be described as "downwards and outwards" compared to "elbow tendinitis" are possible in principle? Have you surveyed all the people on the Earth, preferably for a number of years, who have had this condition to check what next notable symptom have they developped after this condition disappeared ("by itself" or due to some treatment)? What is the next symptom typically appearing? All this requires thorough epidemiological research which I doubt very much that anyone has ever thought of doing, but such research can be the only valid basis of a suggestion that this sort condition is impossible - which is what you seem to be claiming. Or do you have any "theoretical ideas" why this sort of condition is not possible in principle?

Do you realise what you are saying?
1. The prinicple put forward by Constantine Hering says the "disease travels downwards and outwards during its cure".
2. You are saying that according to this principle we might be seeing that "cracked fingers" condition is likely to appear after "elbow tendonitis".
3. You are then saying that a number of people have not ever observed this sequence of events.
4. You conclude that because of this the principle from the point 1 is nonsense.

If we consider these, well,
1 Constantine Hering has indeed voiced this principle.
2 is one possible scenario that falls under this description - one out of how many?
Billions and billions! I'm sure no one has ever thought about just how many various medical conditions can be classed into the category described by Hering's principle.
3 so when we think about the number of cases that have been observed - do you really think someone will report cracked fingers to a doctor except when the cracks are really bad? - by a limited number of people, with - how much of clinical experience? WHat is your clinical experience on which you base your conclusions (if you do not mind sharing this with us so we could appreciate the weight of your evidence and be able to assess the validity of your conlusion stated in 4 above?)

Any comment appreciated!