I two children aged 20 months and 4 and half and neither have been vaccinated against any childhood diseases - I do worry and wonder if I have made the right decisions especially with all the hype about the new menigitis vaccine. - some mothers won't let their children play with mine for fear of catching something!! My brother died 38 years ago from a whooping cough vacine.

Has anybody out their also declined vacinations? Please let me know

You are braver than I was....I didn't know enough back then to make this brave step.

The thing is that these vaccines do little to actually help the person getting them - as so many are ineffective - and they also carry various risks, as you well know! I too had a relative marred (he died!) of bad vaccine - I only wish I knew enough when my children were born, to make an educated decision to NOT vaccinate them!

Anyhow - remedies will help if they begin to catch anything...and you must be willing to act swiftly in getting help to try to abort anything they catch - less complications that way.

But, I don't think you should worry....and those mom's who won't let their children play with yours? well, that is plain fear out of sheeeeer ignorance....perhaps find some good info that would shed some light.

The main reason for vaccines is to keep the 'more suseptible' people in the population at a lower risk for catching diseases that seem to affect them more than healthier people. For instance - MMR - mainly protects pregnant women against German Measles which can cause birth defects at 3 mos of gestation or less....but that vaccine does nothing to really help the child who has received it!

I had MMR vaccines EVERY 5 YEARS of my whole life!!! I'm now 35.....I had my second baby on 30 March, 1997....and also had a booster (MMR) after giving birth!

And what do you know?? I caught measles when this baby was only 4 months old! He had it - I had it and my daughter who had had MMR and 1 Booster shot the year before - also had measles!

So, just better inform yourself so you know in your heart that your decision is wise..and you won't be bullied based on fear and intimidation!

Take care,
Lisa

Many thanks for your support Lisa, in my heart I do feel I have made the right decision but I feel I am alone as I don't know anyone who has not had their children vacinated, although many say they wish they were brave enough not to - I felt I had no choice, also another of my brothers suffered severe asthma, ezcema and hayfever but of course any link with vacines was denied. I seem to be only able to contact my homeopath a couple of days a week so I do worry that I may not get prompt treatment for them if they become ill and I don't feel confident enough to prescribe for them myself even though I have read a lot of books. I am also travelling to Turkey soon and again am not having them vacinated against anything - could anyone please tell what I should have in my first aid kit

Many thanks
Linda

Suggest you contact the following who may be able to refer you locally for support. Both these are run by parents themselves.

'The Informed Parent', PO Box870, Harrow, Middlesex HA3 7UW Tel.0181 861 1022 www.creation.1way.co.uk/theinformedparent/

JABS, 1 Gawsworth rd.,Golborne, Warrington, Cheshire WA3 3RF Tel.01942 713565 / 01204 796433 / 0191 2623360.

Thanks Frank

Frank

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Is the address correct?

Janyce

Dear Linda,

My children were both vaccinated conventionally (aged 7 and 4). My son (7) became very uncommunicative and difficult soon after his MMR and I seriously thought he had become autistic. When he was 3 I started homeopathic treatment and the remedy which had the best result was the one based on the MMR vaccine. He now functions within a normal boundary and copes well at school, whereas I had real fears that he would misbehave and be difficult to control.

My daughter screamed solidly for 2 months after her MMR. She had already started homeopathic treatment and was not permanently affected (she has a different nature anyway), it just knocked her sideways for a while.

I am now undergoing homeopathic training and have a homoeopathic first aid kit to hand at home for our acute requirements. I have found the descriptions in the kit reasonably easy to use and I have had good results. The kit is from Helios. It is difficult to advise on which remedies to use, I find that we have various favourites which are due to our constitutional makeup.

Consequently, I have made a decision not to undertake any further vaccination for my children. This has not been an issue yet, as my children have not been due for further vaccination just yet.

My advice would be not to discuss it too much with other people unless they are interested. We do have a choice and it is OK to exercise that choice, but we don't have to stick our heads above the parapet unnecessarily. When mothers at school look forward to the Meningitis C vaccination coming, I just nod and show limited interest, then check with the school office that we have to give consent first.

I would rather not suppress my children's well-being unnecessarily and permanently with vaccinations to prevent them from having diseases that I believe they can cope with. We have very few acute illnesses now, and only feel a little under the weather occasionally. My daughter had 2 attacks of tonsillitis as a baby which she never gets now.

I admire you for having the strength of courage to avoid vaccination from the start, and good luck with finding more supportive friends !!

Alison R

Sorry aout the link but these work: http://www.unc.edu/~aphillip/www/chf/index.htm http://www.van.org.uk/

Also this is a repost about the UK experience of MenC jab:
"In Scotland we are currently in the middle of a nationwide Men C vaccination campaign. The children at the primary school my daughter attends were vaccinated today. My daughter came home saying 'Mum, thanks so much for not letting me have the jag.' When I asked her why (yesterday she'd been a bit upset as her peers had singled her out as being one of only 3 to decline the jab) she told me that an ambulance had been called for one child who collapsed unconscious and couldn't be revived, 8 others fainted and a total of 49 children (out of 98 vaccinated) had to be sent home because they were too unwell to stay at school. Interestingly adverse reactions showed a marked correlation to the age of the children - Primary 1 and 2 (ages 5-7)were pretty much OK, while there were only 6 children left at school out of Primary 6 and 7 (ages 10-12).

I subscribe to the UK Society of Homeopaths intranet and found this reference to the BBC's site. The text of the article follows. My partner tells me he's heard similar on radio news bulletins today.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/hea...000/787570.stm
Monday, 12 June, 2000, 16:34 GMT 17:34 UK
Safety fears over meningitis vaccine

The Department of Health has refused to carry out a review into the safety
of the meningitis C vaccine despite fears it is unsafe. New figures show that almost 5,000 children have suffered adverse reactions to the vaccine since it was introduced.
The Chiron jab was introduced last autumn, a year ahead of schedule, as a protection against the meningitis C strain. It has been given to 13m children and university students across the UK. But according to figures from the Medical Controls Agency there were 4,764 reports of adverse reactions to the vaccine up to the beginning of June.
A further 10,202 suspected reactions have been reported while an investigation has been launched into the deaths of eight children to see if there is a link to the vaccine....." Then there is stuff refuting dangers so there you go!

Frank, thanks again for the excellent information you have about vaccination effects. Your help with Zymyst's and others convinced a patient of mine not to have her son vaccinated for Meningitis.
Also the same patient persuaded her son's school to move the school sports day scheduled for the day following vaccination. So your information-sharing has helped a lot of kids here in Oxfordshire.

[This message has been edited by Anna Bryant (edited 17 June 2000).]

my children are unvaccinated. actually, my older son (born 1991) had two DPT shots at 2 months & 4 months. they were not giving hepatitis or HIB to newborns then, so those were the only shots we gave him. he reacted (though "mildly" according to my midwife who gave the shot...his constant screaming didn't seem too "mild" to me!!) to his second DPT and i refused any more. i intended at the time to vax him a little later, but started reading and never did.

my younger son is almost a year old and will never be vax'd!

i think the root of vaccines is our belief that illness is a BAD thing to be avoided at all costs. every illness we are exposed to, and every one that we get (okay, with some exceptions) strengthens our immune system.

anyway, so my kids aren't vax'd, they've been exposed to lots of things...my older boy had chicken pox after we went and purposely exposed him a couple of years ago...it's so hard to find "wild" chicken pox, measles, etc. these days that when you hear of someone having them, you rush to expose your kids! they are healthy, rarely even a cold or ear infection or anything. of course, they're also breastfed, the ultimate immunity enhancer

there are LOTS of nonvaccinating parents out there, and LOTS of websites and a few email lists (search on http://www.egroups.com)...if you have trouble finding them, let me know. i recently lost all my bookmarks, but would gladly help!

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