Hello everyone...I am still a beginner and I am just dealing with a depressed Nat-m case . After few days of the remedy there are flactuations in the mood happening without any physical changes yet...feel bad in the morning and much better at the night and sometimes it's good all the day..and sometimes just neutral...besides the flactuations in mood, the patient is now more open and sharing thoughts with me.

I wonder when Nat-m is able to cry after the remedy..does it take too much time like months or only few weeks ? . My patient hasn't cried yet and feel no tendeny for it though before the remedy there was a little tendeny but was resisted by the patient.

Is crying a must thing to see when curing Nat-m ? and If it doesn't happen, does this mean we are wrong ?

I've started with 200C since depression and lack of energy was the chief complaint beside other physical ones like hair loss and binge eating and constipation..

Thank you.

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Hani
B.A. in Pharmacy, M.D(A.M), Homeopath(studying).

In Nat-mu desire for salt and dislike for sweets is a peculiar symptom.Cry- symptom of mind in this remedy the important symptom of mind is :
Psychic causes of disease; ill effects of grief, fright, anger, etc.
Depressed, particularly in chronic diseases.
Consolation aggravates.
Irritable; gets into a passion about trifles.
Awkward, hasty.
Wants to be alone to cry.
Tears with laughter.

Before selecting the remedy its better to go through MM .And crying is not a must thing but the tendency to cry when alone may be considered when selecting Nat-m ?Its my own opinion.
Thanks

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Dear drskp,

Thank you for your reply, I really appreciate it. I hope you will have the time and patience to read my case rubrics , arranged alphabetically they are :

Children - EMACIATION - appetite, ravenous, with
Children - REJECTED, feelings
Diseases - PHARYNGITIS, throat
Dreams - FAMILY, own
Dreams - ROBBERS, dreams of
Dreams - STORMS
Environment - AIR, general - seashore, air, agg. - amel.
Environment - SUMMER, agg.
Environment - SUN, sunlight, agg.
Environment - WET, weather, agg. - wet, warm and wet, agg.
Environment - WINTER, agg. - amel.
Eyes - DISCOLORATION, around eyes - bluish, circles, around
Eyes - PHOTOPHOBIA, light sensitivity - artificial light agg.
Female - MENSES, general - before, agg.
Female - MENSES, general - girls, in young
Female - MENSES, general - mental symptoms, menses, during - before
FEMALE GENITALIA/SEX - MENSES - absent - grief; from
FEMALE GENITALIA/SEX - MENSES - absent - nervous women; in
Food - APPETITE, general - ravenous - sadness, with
Food - CHOCOLATE, agg. - desires
Food - COLD drinks, water, agg. - desires
Food - COLD drinks, water, agg. - desires - ice, with
Food - EATING, general - over-eating, agg. - children, in
Food - FARINACEOUS - aversion to
Food - FASTING, general - agg.
Food - FAT, food agg. - aversion to fats and rich food
Food - FISH, general - desires
Food - HOT, drinks, agg. - aversion to
Generals - COLD, body temperature - low vital heat
Generals - EVENING, agg. - 9 p.m. - 9 p.m., amel.
Generals - EVENING, agg. - sunset, agg. - amel.
Generals - MORNING, agg.
Generals - NIGHT, agg. - amel.
Generals - WEAKNESS, sensation of being - anxiety, with
Generals - WEAKNESS, sensation of being - daytime
Generals - WEAKNESS, sensation of being - emotions, from depressing
Generals - WEAKNESS, sensation of being - love, from unfortunate
Hands - DRYNESS
Hands - ITCHING, hands - itching, fingers, between
Hands - ITCHING, hands - itching, palm
Mind - ABRUPT
Mind - ABRUPT - harsh
MIND - AILMENTS FROM - death of loved ones - parents or friends; of
Mind - ANGER, general - answer, when obliged to
Mind - ANGER, general - consoled, when
Mind - ANGER, general - eating, amel. after
Mind - ANGER, general - noise, at
Mind - ANGER, general - noise, at - sleep, during
Mind - ANGER, general - temper tantrums
Mind - ANGER, general - trifles, at
Mind - ANGER, general - will, if things do not go after his
Mind - BENEVOLENCE
Mind - COMPANY, general - aversion to
Mind - CONCENTRATION, general - difficult - talking, while
Mind - CONSOLATION, general - agg., from kind words
Mind - CRYING, weeping - difficult
Mind - CRYING, weeping - music, from
Mind - CRYING, weeping - sympathy with others
Mind - DECEPTION, causes grief and humiliation
Mind - DECEPTION, causes grief and humiliation - ailments from friendship, deceived
Mind - DEPRESSION, sadness - children, in
Mind - DEPRESSION, sadness - company, agg. in
Mind - DEPRESSION, sadness - disappointment, from
Mind - DEPRESSION, sadness - eating, while - amel.
Mind - DEPRESSION, sadness - eating, while - desire for, with
Mind - DEPRESSION, sadness - talk, indisposed to
Mind - DETACHED
Mind - DISCOURAGED, feelings
Mind - DWELLS, on past disagreeable events - grief from past offences
Mind - DWELLS, on past disagreeable events - recalls, disagreeable memories
Mind - FASTIDIOUS
Mind - FASTIDIOUS - appearance, her
Mind - FEAR, general, phobias - failure, of
Mind - FEAR, general, phobias - health, of loved persons
Mind - FEAR, general, phobias - injuring others ( she hates giving injections )
Mind - HELPLESSNESS, feelings
Mind - IDEALISTIC
Mind - INDIFFERENCE, apathetic
Mind - IRRITABILITY, general - alternating with - timidity
Mind - IRRITABILITY, general - noise, from
Mind - IRRITABILITY, general - trifles, from
Mind - LOVE, general - love, animals, for
Mind - LOVE, general, ailments from disappointed
Mind - MUSIC, general - amel.
MIND - NATURE - loves
Mind - PLAY, general, alternating with, sadness
Mind - PLAY, general, alternating with, sadness - desire to
Mind - RESPONSIBILITY, aversion to
Mind - RESPONSIBILITY, aversion to - unusual agg.
Mind - ROMANTIC, feelings
MIND - SEASIDE - amel. mental symptoms
Mind - SINGING, general
Mouth - DRYNESS, mouth - dryness, lips
Nose - SMELL, general - sensitive to odors - unpleasant, odors
Nose - SNEEZING, general - odors, from - strong, from
Rectum - CONSTIPATION, general - chronic
Rectum - CONSTIPATION, general - women, in
Skin - HAIR, falls out
Skin - PSORIASIS
Sleep - INSOMNIA, sleeplessness - afternoon
Sleep - INSOMNIA, sleeplessness - chronic
Sleep - INSOMNIA, sleeplessness - noise from slight
SLEEP - POSITION - side; on - left side; on
Sleep - RESTLESS, sleep - bodily restlessness, from
Sleep - WAKING, general - night - midnight, at
Throat - HAWK, disposition to
Throat - SORE, pain - air, draft of - every
Throat - SORE, pain - cold, from every
Tongue - WHITE - center

Totality scoring : Nat-m = 209 , Phos. = 121 , Lyc = 120 , sulph= 117 , Calc. = 115 , sep= 108 , Ign= 100 , Puls = 99 .


I even separated the rubrics of environment , Foods and Mind and each time Nat-m was in rank number one..except in foods it came after Phos. rank number 2.

It's a chronic depression for a female and she has been on anti-depressant and hypnotics for years. She's 26 yrs old and had many troubles with 3 relationships besides others in work which she quit .
I just want to know what I should expect as first signs of improvement...and what are the aggrevations that I have to notice ?

Thanks in advance

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Hani
B.A. in Pharmacy, M.D(A.M), Homeopath(studying).

Just a few keynote symptoms of nat. mur -consolation aggravates-to be considered If very strongly marked; laughing to the point of tears flowing{ as if there is simply an overabundance of tears, not from any sudden emotional change from happiness to sadness}- considered by some to be a golden symptom when considering nat. mur. Lesser known symptom May be excessive sleepiness after last meal of evening;may also be dry patches of skin in certain portions of body concomitant with excessive tearing,for example as if there is a lack of homogeneity of distribution of moisture between different parts of body; usually marked dislike for eating fatty or "slimy" foods; a person who is usually hard to wake up in morning-maintaining grogginess for a longer time than would be expected. one case of mine greatly improved after taking nat. mur. with this last symptom. As I do, have gone a little farther than I thought, but this was written on the spur of the moment- hope these give you greater insight, because if you are still using nat. mur., only in my opinion you may have not have found correct simillimum. Best Regards, Fredric.