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The idea that symptoms are an important part of the body's restoration to health, is very obvious when we consider the antibiotic effects of inflammation, the cooling effects of perspiration, the blood pressure reduction effect of diuresis and the anti-toxicity effects of discharges, but what about pain?

It provides us with a powerful STOP signal.
It informs us that there is a problem.
It provides feedback on the degree of severity of the problem. (It can be misleading to the unwary as in the case of a ruptured appendix when the pain stops.)

Its character, location, frequency, duration & intensity are of conventional diagnostic significance, and from the Homeopathic perspective, important in the symptom profile of the appropriate remedy, but what if any, are the healing properties of pain, and does the alleviation of pain by conventional analgesics in chronic conditions significantly interfere with Homeopathic treatment?

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Default The symptomatic totality of the 32 or more senses of perception.

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<...symptoms are an important part of the body's restoration to health,...Its character, location, frequency, duration & intensity are of conventional diagnostic significance, and from the Homeopathic perspective, , what if any, are the healing properties of pain, ..in chronic conditions significantly interfere with Homeopathic treatment? >

Chronic Pain is a NATURAL SYSTEM DYSFUNCTION (NSD).

The healing properties of pain are in how we come to our senses by learning to trust our human nature and our sensory experiences with natural systems in and around us by reconnecting with Mother Nature.

Dr. Hahnemann inspired by his researched results ,put into practice the language of Nature which he tried to instill in all his students ( including you and me ). His dream of the elusive Big Picture included these 32 or more senses which he and fellow homeopaths called Symptomatic Totality. He attributted the spiritual aspect of Nature to her specific drug-picture projection of the similimum in its symptomatic totality.

Reconnecting with Nature: Coming to our senses.
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32 Senses of Perception


Guy Murchie’s The Seven Mysteries of Life, An Exploration in Science & Philosophy. 1978, Houghton Mifflin Company, Boston.

"A lot of people seem to think there can be none but the five traditional senses of sight, hearing, smell, taste and touch. In a way they are right, I suppose, if you assume that only the ones most obvious to humans are to be included. But surely there are more senses in Heaven and Earth than you or I have dreamed of. And I have increasingly had the feeling that the time has come when someone should pioneer into the subject as a whole with a fresh, untrammeled outlook. So, out of more than idle curiosity, I've jotted down a list of all I could think of and it came to 48, not even counting the stage-in-space sense" previously described. Then, by combining the most closely related ones, I trimmed the number to 32. Of course a lot depends on how one defines a sense, and on arbitrary choices, like whether you decide to lump the sense of warmth and coolness or the sense of dryness and dampness in with the sense of feeling, and whether you want to include the senses (or are they instincts?) that animals, plants and (conceivably) rocks have but most humans evidently don't.
"Here is my list of the principal senses of all creatures:
The Radiation Senses
Sight, which, I should think, would include seeing polarized light and seeing without eyes, such as the heliotropism or sun sense of plants.
The sense of awareness of one’s own visibility or invisibility and the consequent competence to advertise or to camouflage via pigmentation control, luminescence, transparency, screening, behavior, etc.
Sensitivity to radiation other than visible light, including radio waves, x-rays, gamma rays, etc., but omitting most of the temperature and electromagnetic senses.
Temperature sense, including ability to insulate, hibernate, estivate, etc. This sense is known to have its own separate nerve networks.
Electromagnetic sense, which includes the ability to generate current (as in the electric eel), awareness of magnetic polarity (possessed by many insects) and a general sensitivity to electromagnetic fields.

The Feeling Senses
Hearing, including sonar and the detection of infra- and ultrasonic frequencies beyond ears.
Awareness of pressure, particularly underground and underwater, as through the lateral line organ of fish, the earth tremor sense of burrowers, the barometric sense, etc.
Feel, particularly touch on the skin and the proprioceptive awareness of intra- and intermuscular motion, tickling, vibration sense (such as the spider feels), cognition of heartbeat, blood circulation, breathing, etc.
The sense of weight and balance.
Space or proximity sense.
Coriolis sense, or awareness of effects of the rotation of the earth.

The Chemical Senses
Smell, with and beyond the nose.
Taste, with and beyond the tongue or mouth.
Appetite, hunger and the urge to hunt, kill or otherwise obtain food.
Humidity sense, including thirst, evaporation control and the acumen to find water or evade a flood.
The Mental Senses
Pain: external, internal, mental or spiritual distress, or any combination of these, including the impulse and capacity to weep.
The sense of fear, the dread of injury or death, of attack by vicious enemies, of suffocation, falling, bleeding, disease and other dangers.
The procreative urge, which includes sex awareness, courting (perhaps involving love), mating, nesting, brooding, parturition, maternity, paternity and raising the young.
The sense of play, sport, humor, pleasure and laughter.
Time sense and, most specifically, the so-called biological clock.
Navigation sense, including the detailed awareness of land- and seascapes, of the positions of sun, moon and stars, of time, of electromagnetic fields, proximity to objects, probably Coriolis and other sensitivities still undefined.
Domineering and territorial sense, including the capacity to repel, intimidate or exploit other creatures by fighting, predation, parasitism, domestication or slavery.
Colonizing sense, including the receptive awareness of one's fellow creatures, of parasites, slaves, hosts, symbionts and congregating with them, sometimes to the degree of being absorbed into a superorganism.
Horticultural sense and the ability to cultivate crops, as is done by ants who grow fungus, or by fungus that farms algae.
Language and articulation sense, used to express feelings and convey information in every medium from the bees' dance to human literature.
Reasoning, including memory and the capacity for logic and science.
Intuition or subconscious deduction.
Esthetic sense, including creativity and appreciation of music, literature, drama, of graphic and other arts.
Psychic capacity, such as foreknowledge, clairvoyance, clairaudience, psychokinesis, astral projection and possibly certain animal instincts and plant sensitivities.
Hypnotic power: the capacity to hypnotize other creatures.
Relaxation and sleep, including dreaming, meditation, brainwave awareness and other less-than-conscious states of mind like pupation, which involves cocoon building, metamorphoses and, from some viewpoints, dying.
The Spiritual Sense
Spiritual sense, including conscience, capacity for sublime love, ecstasy, a sense of sin, profound sorrow, sacrifice and, in rare cases, cosmic consciousness."



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Default Pain Management In Homeopathy ...cont'd

Thank you Lew for your excellent information on Sensory Perception. Dr. Cohen's article is very informative indeed. I don't know the origin of the definition of Spirituality as being a function of Awareness, but I have always felt very comfortable with that understanding.

Am I to deduce from this answer that pain has no physiological healing benefit other than what has already been covered in my original question and in your response? In Kent's lectures on Homeopathic Philosophy, he makes mention of his use of Homeopathic remedies to alleviate the pain of a dying patient in preference to using opiates. Tarentula cubensis is a remedy which he claims has been very useful in this situation. This is his opinion, but because of the precarious nature of Homeopathic remedies and the time restraints of a person dying in agony, I would not hesitate in using appropriate opiates by IVI. Kent's justification for not using opiates is the importance he places on the maintenance of the patient's physical awareness and dignity during the dying process. This of course is another
subject . I am concerned with the alleviation of pain in chronic degenerative conditions which, as much as I dislike prognostication, have a very poor prognosis.

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Default Pain Management In Homeopathy ...cont'd

Thank you for your responses to date, but I am afraid to say that my main question has not been answered to the degree I expected it would be.
I find it hard to accept that severe pain in chronic degenerative conditions is not a problem in Homeopathy.
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My experience has been that homeopathy is excellent in relieving pain, big-time pain like post-surgery pain, horrible injuries, burns and even the pain of shingles which is quite unbearable.

Opiates are not the panacea you might imagine. They make the patient throw up, reduce the appetite, frighten the patient with hallucinations...it's not as great as you might think.

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yeah man --the allo meds affect---the sugnifgance is based on whether or nothe symptom lopped off bythe use is actually in the sphere of characterisic symptoms homoeopathically related to case----oh yeah-that was a mouth full--no copy and paste with that answer...
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Default Pain Management In Homeopathy ...cont'd

Thanks for your answers to date.

I am familiar with the 'magical' relief of pain following the use of Homeopathic remedies, but only on myself and family. I am seeking an answer from someone who is experienced in pain management in a wide variety of chronic disorders in which pain is a very debilitating component of their symptom profiles. Assumably the effect of the similimum would be to at least reduce the dose of allopathic analgesics and hopefully eliminate the need for them completely. I am also aware of the important significance of pain as a guide component to the choice of the second and subsequent prescriptions.

What I am trying to determine is whether the experience of pain has any healing value of itself, and whether its alleviation by allopathic analgesics would be regarded as suppression in the same sense as the use of cortisone in cases of hay fever for example. (counter-productive) Let me give you a possible answer to my question:

"Yes, the experience of pain by the patient is necessary because it stimulates the contraction of various muscle groups which assist in the overall healing process".
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I think pain simply acts as an important warning. You touch a hot object, like a frying pan, and you drop it immediately, you don't make things worse by continuing to hold on to it, thanks to the pain.

About case management, homeopathy is really the way to go. Opiates are not good, they do not speed along the healing process, they slow down the healing in a variety of ways. There is absolutely no reason why a person in any kind of pain should not be given the appropriate homeopathic remedy. In fact, in any patient you have, the first thing you must do is take the case of the pain or discomfort the patient is in, that is order of business number one. You do not take the constitutional case of someone in pain. Very often the remedy is Bryonia--sharp pain, slightest motion makes the pain worse. Think of bryonia in broken bones or fractures. Pain shoots up the limb, hypericum. Pain is a sore, bruised sensation, Arnica. Pain is stinging and needle-like, Apis. And so on. Also, you have to get the potency right. Here is where your high potencies come in, a 30C might not cut it.

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hell yeah pain has value in healing process--so doesnt every other symptom human body can muster up against iner ill -symptoms (u already know r bodys respnse.) but u seem stuck at that point----listen homoeo--is treating with similar---so just to sound stupid --i wll say --naturalbody response = pain then we give remedy cause that same CHARACTERISTIC pain----no suppression as u sem think would be occuring---antipath would suppress--allo if repeatd enough would---homoeo could if partial simiilar to a degree of just that area--but would see return and other symptms accompanying--which guide next step...
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Default Pain Management In Homeopathy ...cont'd

Yes, I agree completely.
I am not stuck on pain as you put it. I just want to get a good understanding of it. Take the pain of child birth for example. It is natural as you put it, but what useful purpose does it serve. Having a child is not a disease even.
Here I am talking about a healthy situation or process.
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