Hans

Do you have a cure available for whiplash? I think I've injured my neck trying to keep track of the position of the goal posts.

Anyone familiar with Monty Python may recognize the analogy if I describe them as suffering from Black Knight syndrome.

(For the culturally challenged here's a link to explain the gag Fighting the Black Knight )

LOL, try Ars. alb. 30C. £4.50 for 125 tablets. I have about a hundred left, I don't think I'll be using them all. No side effects .

Hans

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Well we really need more information. Remember homeopathy treats the whole case. Since it's tissue damage you could try Arnica. Other than that I suppose we could try and work out how to prepare a car crash at 40C.

weleda...i remember them..they started out with aromatic oils and lotions, etc...homeopathy was not their forte. Anyway...I don't think its too late..even tho mrc is kind of dense..still..it could happen in a few days...some kind of severe anxiety reaction. But who ever told him to increase the pills each time. I never heard of that.

YEH Hans
I actually believe you on this one--
I had repeated problems with Weleda products, that they actually did nothing and left me down in acute situations. i had situations where after the Weleda product failed, the same remedy from another company in the same strength worked.
To get to the bottom of this, I tried a few and got no reaction whats however!
So-- my advise is to stay away from Weleda.

My other points remain -- and in order to be taken serious, you may look into them.

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Hans W:

That is very unfortunate. I see that Weleda, Boiron, and one more company are more ore less sharing the Western market between them. A market to the tune of one billion Euros per annum. Does this mean that most homeopaths are really issuing worthless medicine?

Hans

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MRC Hans,

If you are really interested, and serious about doing a proving on yourself, then you need someone ELSE to send you a remedy so you don't know what it is. Otherwise the whole experiment is tainted. It needs to be blinded.

You can follow the instructions in the Organon for the dosing, after receiving a remedy from someone you trust here. Perhaps this is a way to carry out a serious experiment.

Just a note:
Asking anyone to remember the strict protocol of provings doesn't mean everyone is going to remember it by the letter despite having learned about it during studies! Most homeopaths are treating patients - clinicians. Some decide to go into the pharmacy side of things. And then some do provings Although, HansW seems to know a lot about a lot. And so does Hahnemannian 444 and a few others.

Anyway, the instructions to do a proper proving are in the Organon. I really think you should not know which remedy you are taking in order for it to be properly done -- otherwise you are influenced and that is of course biased.

Some reliable pharmacies:
Freeman's pharmacy in Glasgow. Their email is orders@freechem.co.uk and they will mail remedies. I believe they cost less than some of the other pharmacies like Helios and Ainsworths which are two other reliable pharmacies in UK.

Most USA homeopaths that I know are using Hahnemann labs out of California (if I've got the name correct) as opposed to Weleda or Boiron. My homeopath said Hahnemann labs was a good pharmacy.

I tried two different Weleda remedies on separate occasions and they also didn't seem to work when compared to taking the same remedy from another stock/supplier. I can't comment on Boiren - haven't used them.

If you are going to do a proving --- make sure you read up on the different levels of sensitivity in various people (all this is in the Organon). Some get a reaction sooner than others - depending on their case history, sensitivity and susceptibility. So, you might get a reaction fairly early on or you may have to take the remedy for the duration (whatever that is). And, Cha is right, you need to have your case taken, to discern what was 'yours' and what is new . Otherwise, it's a useless exercise. Cha knows more off the top of her head, as she's done a proving. Hans W knows more too...maybe they will indulge you if you are serious and ask them nicely.

Good luck with your research.
Lisa

[ 17. December 2003, 21:50: Message edited by: LisaAnnan ]

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Yes--Hans
And maybe its sometimes for the better--.

Helios remedies work fine for me in the daily work. They are easy to handle. sometimes things are forgotten when ordered, but I hope they eventually get their act together in Helios.

Laboratorium gudjons [germany] and Spagyros [switzerland] are two producers having first class remedies.
Gudjons are all made by hand acoording the Organon, and one gets sharp action.

DHU [german homeopathy union] are pretty much the hight of Weleda. Staufen pharma [Goeppingen] are a good reliable source too.

i also use some higher C-potencies coming from India which were handmade multi glass method.
they work !!
Other than that, i can only advice to take Lisa,s post serious.

Kent tells the story, that after a Lachesis proving with a 1M, his first wive developped a twitch on her cheek, which persisted till she died.

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Hans BSA, maybe you should just catch your breath here...months ago I told you Jeremy Sherr's Dynamis of Provings book outlines Hahnemannian proving protocol as it is done today.

Having a full case taken first is nothing new. Hahnemann outlined it in the Organon, Sherr outlines it in his book. How could you even know what was your own stuff--and what is new and unrecorded after the remedy is taken--without someone documenting the full case?

Sorry if your neck is craning after some imaginary goal posts...but it is you who claimed to be reading up on provings--or at least mumbled something about being a skeptic and challenging homeopathy? YOu have to have some basic knowledge about what your challenging, otherwise you just look lost.

Don't tell me you didn't even read the basics?
Don't tell me you've been caught out in your lies about sincerely wanting to learn and debate homeopathy?

[ 17. December 2003, 23:53: Message edited by: ChaChaHeels ]

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So Weleda is a swindler company? I'll consider suing them, then.

I have noticed that descriptions of provings, where the goal is to chart the properties of a new drug, include case taking. This is of course essential for later assessment of the drug.

However, I was making a so-called self-proving. When I started here, most of you kept asking me to take such a self-proving. "It is very simple, just take two or three pills, and your outlook will be changed forever" was a typical statement.

SO, all this raises a few questions:

1) What purpose does a taking of my case serve when I want to see if a drug produces proving effects? Don't you think I know what is normal for me? If not, then how should somebody else find out via a "taking"?

2) Why does it invalidate my experiment that I knew the name of the drug? (but not that leela and others listed the expected symptoms in detail).

3) In the actual case, what difference would a taking, and a blinding have made?

4) On poor Weleda: While reaching an exact potency requires very high precision, how can a company make non-functional homeopathic drugs? After all, the rest is a rather simple process that seems hard to bungle seriously.

5) If Weleda and Boiron are selling dud drugs, how do they manage to not only stay in business, but have a turn-over of a billion Euro?

6) If so many homeopaths and patients buy useless drugs, what does that mean for the credibility of homeopathy?

Hans

[ 18. December 2003, 07:15: Message edited by: MRC_Hans ]

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