Karin - I lifted this from the other thread as well - to make it a bit easier. Of course - you could print them both out...

Hooping Cough, Boenninghausen - Homeopathic treatment - page 23/4.

Among the remedies which correspond moe or less to the period of childhood and may therefore be especially appropriate for it, the following may be name:

Aconite, Ambra, Anacardium, Antimonium tart., Baryta, Bell, Bry, Calc, Cham, Cina, Drosera, Hepar, Hyos, Ign, Ipec, Kal, Kreos, Lyc, Magnesia, Magnesia mur, Mercurius, Nat mur, Nux vom, Sabadilla, Sil, Spong, Staph, Stram, Sulph and Veratrum.

(it then goes on to list for adults and old persons..which I've left out.)

When, notwithstanding the most careful selection from among the remedies indicated for the first stage, the tranistion to the second stange has proved inevitable, it will be advisable, in most cases, next to direct one's attention to the following table in which those remedies are arranged, which are most frequently appropriate after those which are firstnamed in each series have been homeopathically indicated and administered:

ACONITE - Arn, Dros, Lyc, Merc, Sep, Sil, Sulph.

BELLADONNA - Antimon tart, Calc, Cina, Cupr, Dig, Hepar, Iod, Lach, Merc, Sep, Sil,
Stram, Sulph.

BRYONIA - Dig, Kali, Led, Lyc, Mezereum, Sep, Squilla, Verat.

CARBO ANIMAL. - Dros, Ign, Sil, Sulph acid.

CARBO VEG. - Dros, Ign, Kali, Lach, Merc, Nat mur, Sep, Sulph, Verat.

CAUSTICUM - Cupr, Hepar, Ign, Lach, Lyc, Nat mur, Sep, Sil, Sulph, Sulph acid.

CHAMOMILLA - Cina, Hepar, Ign, Lyc, Magnesia, Stam, Sulph.

CONIUM - Antimon tart, Cuprum, Dig, Lach, Lyc.

DULCAMARA - Cupr, Led, Merc, Sep, Sulph.

EUPHRASIA - Arn, Hepar, Merc, Nat mur, Senega.

IPECACUANHA - Antimon crud, Antimon tart, Arn, Calc, Cupr, Dros, Ign, Sulphuric
Ac, Verat.

MERCURIUS - Antimon crud, Arn, Cina, Cupr, Dig, Hepar, Iod, Lach, Lyc, Mezereum,
Sep, Sil, Sulph.

MEZEREUM - Merc, Sil.

NUX VOM - Ambra, Cupr, Dig, Dros, Ign, Kali, Lach, Lyc, Magnesia, Mer, Nat mur, Sep, Sil, Stram, Sulph.

PULSATILLA - Ambra, Antimon crud, Antimon tart, Arn, Cupr, Dig, Ign, Kali, Lach,
Led, Lyc, Magnesia, Merc, Nat mur, Sep, Sil, Stann, Sulph, Sulph Ac.

SABADILLA - Ambra, Antimon crud, Cina, Puls, Sep, Sulph, Verat.

VERATRUM - Arn, Cina, Cupr, Dros, Merc, Sep, Stram.

VERBASCUM - Ambra, Mezereum, Phos, Puls, Verat.

Sorry this has been so long - but do try and read through it because I remember Hans telling me how a friend (I believe) had something like 5 or 7 cases at the same time- and cured all those cases speedily - using this very book!

Take care,
Lisa

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Hi Karin, Just noticed something....


You wrote (in your last post):
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> Puls also came up high, but I gave that intitially w/o much success. Also Bry, Carbo-v and Verat, but they don't fit the mental state. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't worry too much about his mental state - ESPECIALLY if he hasn't changed much from his normal state!!!!!

I would only (and Hans could correct me here!!) take that into account IF there was an intense change from his normal state - but otherwise forget about the mentals.

I remember you saying he was a bit more clingy than usual since having this.

So, my question would be:
Is he a clingy(ish) child normally (Constitutionally)?

If the clinginess is just a bit more pronounced, then I would say that is a normal reaction to being sick. Just like people get depressed for a bit when a loved one dies (and we wouldn't take that into account necessarily - it would suppress normal reactions) - it is when the depression lingers and a true disease-state develops we would take that into account (no?).

That is my reasoning on this. But, again I stand corrected if I've got this all wrong.

Right - that is it for today .
Lisa

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WELL DONE, LISA
i could not have done it better.
As regards mental state:
i call it mood, if the mood has significantly changed , it would then form part of the diseasepicture.
remedy aplication:
Boenninghausen used the 200c/1M. His remedies were handmade. He used them in single doses. if there was no action within 48 hours, he would retake the case--A few hours in acute situations.
the last phase of the cough can take up to 2 weeks, even with treatment.
Hint: often at the end of the whole affair a few psoric symptoms flair up. Cath them and prescribe an Antipsoric and let that act out.

Hans Weitbrecht
Cure by symptom similiarity!

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Thanks Lisa and Hans,

This is more help than I could ever ask for!

Re: the mood. It hasn't really changed. The clinginess isn't really new, it is just intensified. And, as you say Lisa, this is also common in sickness. On top of it, there has been this thing with the big separation anxiety when starting school just days before getting sick. To make it short, the mood hasn't significantly changed.

Re: change of symptoms. I was considering that, too, Lisa, as a Puls indication. There are. There are more than 20 rx in the rubric CHANGE,SYMPTOMS OF. And probably more that aren't listed.

Thanks, Hans, for clarifying the 48 hours thing. This is what I really wasn't sure of. And then with this changeability, the question always is, is it the action of the remedy or is it another change that goes with the disease.

We're hanging in there and learning more every day! After Cina there seemed to be a bit of an aggravation, today is the 2nd day and things are better again. Quite often the cough is not spasmodic any more, just your everyday dry cough. I hope I'm right in thinking that this indicates that he is in the last stage.

BTW, Boenninghausen talks about the third stage being complications, etc. Have definitions changed? I thought that the third stage was the tapering off of symptoms.

I am really glad I found this website. So many brilliant people to learn from. I'm impressed!

Hi Karin,

In response to your comment about the third stage. I believe (and I stand corrected again! so I'm hoping Hans follows this and lends some help again) that Bn meant if the disease was either treated allopathically or left untreated - that the third stage could be detrimental to overall health (it was something like that - not enough time to look it up just now).

Make sure you take note of what Hans said "Hint: often at the end of the whole affair a few psoric symptoms flair up. Catch them and prescribe an Antipsoric and let that act out."

I understand that when psora is roused to the surface (and often is with whooping cough from my understanding) that it is a golden opportunity to see the symptoms in an uncluttered state! As Hans said, prescribe an antipsoric (sx matching of course!) and then let it act .


Hopefully Hans will come again soon and clarify that 3rd stage thing for you, though .

I'm leaving in two days - so if you need any thing further from the book - just ask , and I'll try to post it before I leave on Sun night.

I hope he gets well soon.
All the best,
Lisa

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Hallo to all
whopingcough is a cyclic disease, which runs in three stages
prodromal
active, endbit.
The endbit(third stage) is characterised by : temperature gone , cough mostly at night , whoooop in between the coughs.
this the normal appearance.
there can be complications. the medical dictionary gives you great detail.
As to remedies:
if there are no complications see if you find under those, what is suitable:

ant-t, Phos, puls, hep-s, spong, sulph

greetings from Ireland
Hans

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Hans and Lisa,

thanks for clarifying this third stage thing. This is what I had actually understood from my clinical dictionary. I guess I must have misunderstood a passage in Boenninghausen's comment.

The idea with the flare-up of psora is very interesting, especially as just before the cough, my son developed a wart just above his mouth. One of only two remedies in Synthesis is Psorinum.

I realize I must be cautious and hope I can catch this opportunity. This little guy suffered from atopic eczema from about age 5 months for over a year until it got under control. However, he still has flare-ups on and off.

Hopefully I won't have to ask for your help too often any more.

Have a good holiday, Lisa.

Warm regards from the Indian Summer,
Karin