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Old 14th January 2008, 02:08 AM
Elena Zagrebelnaya Elena Zagrebelnaya is offline
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It is impossible to make a proper assessment in these three cases on what you have toled us here. It is what we would describe as anecdotal evidence which is extremely unreliable. Also, as Acleron said, we don't even have the full histories. For example, were the diagnoses confirmed histologically? Was there any doubt about the diagnosis? Were they also receiving conventional medical treatment? And what is the natural history of these conditions (left untreated)?
All these cases were not treated conventionally, except for the cancer case, of course, who receives the necessary thyroxine and had surgery. SHe was telling me that so many of her comrades as per treatment were having recurrence and metastasing that she was wondering - but she has not had these so far.

THere was a case of a small girl with leukemia - she was pronounced hopeless by the doctors, left several weeks to leave, her mother took her away from the hospital and to her home in Okinawa islands, just to make the last weeks pleasurably and with her family around - and guess what, the girl recovered completely, she's fine now. You would certainly say that the therapy has finally kicked in, then why this did not happen to other children in the ward with high enough percentage - I'm sure the newspaper would have written about that, also I would expect doctors to be able to discern the "temporary effects of the aggressive treatment" from a hopeless situation. A study in Australia - I was unable to locate the link now, but I'll post it as soon as I come across it again, has shown that chemotherapy's success rate is 2% and maybe it should be taken away from some public financing programme where it was on.

Japanese are funny people, they like to measure everything, so they tried some ART therapy - people staying in the hospitals were asked to select the paintings that they like most out of a set of several paintings, what they'd chosen was put on the wall in their hospital room, and all the lab tests were taken before this was done, and a week after - all the tests were improved in the people week after, and needless to say, this did not happen in the people who did not have this change introduced. The hospital is thinking about doing this for the majority of patients therefrom. THink about it the way you like, though!

And I would like to point out to you that given how "friendly" (vehemently denying in fact) the conventional medicine is towards homeopathy, at least here in Japan, and many other countries, I'd say, it is not possible for any homeopath to provide what you are looking for. In the States it might be even illegal in some states to do medical checks for people receiving alternative care.
So if you would rather keep your minds a bit more open and just allow a small possibility that alternative treatments - on the whole -can be in any way beneficial and SHOULD NOT be discriminated against in the public healthcare, so that the legal frame etc could be changed accordingly, only then you will be able to get the kind of evidence that you are asking for - that would convince you. Otherwise it just looks as though you prefer to feel safe - in whatever meaning - when you are being guarded from these possible monsters who are trying to steal money or whatever from general public (please, do not take that personally! But it looks somehow that a certain proportion of people somehow feels that way), and tell to the person whose arms are tied up to pick up something for you and get angry when he is not able to do that.

It's a matter of how one is able or willing to process incomplete information, but please, do not forget that information is ALWAYS incomplete in some way, so things that you beleive will persuade you are impossible to obtain in principle. Once you get one well documented case of cure, you can always say that it's spontaneous and would need to be replicated to convince you etc. You simply close off your way.

Well, if you are so sure that it was the conventional treatment that helps patients after all - then wy bother? You are able to choose it for yourself, but I think it is not quite ethical, democratical or whatever, respectful of other people, to try to force this on other people who are of a different opinion. Homeopathic remedies are really cheap, so I don't see how permitting them covered under your HealthCare system in UK - this is what your concern is, right? - is going to really put someone in being able to buy them less food, THIS is much less probable. There is a study - I read about it in Le Nouvel Observateur, and now some one posted a reference to it on another forum, here's the summary
Caisse Nationale de l'Assurance Maladie des Travailleurs Salaris
January 1, 1996


1996

A study of 130,000 prescriptions confirmed the results of the 1991 French Government Report (see below) and suggest further benefit and savings to the homeopathic approach to care. This survey also noted that the number of paid sick leave days by patients under the care of homeopathic physicians were 3.5 times less (598 days/year) than patients under the care of general practitioners (2,017 days/year). Although homeopathic medicines in France represent 5% of all medicines prescribed by physicians, they represent only 1.2% of all drug reimbursements due to their lower cost per prescription. (Homeopathic medicines are reimbursable under the French health care system).

So, in fact, people using homeopathy are a much smaller burden to public Finance than people using regular medicine. And would have been a greater burden if you would force them to use the regular medicine "as everybody else", and then someone might find themselves short of money to buy the food they need...

Many homeopaths work for free - as I also do, when I'm asked for acute prescriptions, I do not constitutional prescribing yet, - so this should not be a concern as well.

I hope you will apologise me for not posting any detailed information about myself, because I do not have any clinical assessments of my own state and my daughter's - I simply do not go to the hospitals for any check-ups etc, one of the reasons is I don't have money to do all this medical stuff and I don't think it is especially beneficial for us in any way, and obviously, for the reasons I mentioned above it's not going to persuade anyone of anything, will be just another anecdote, so I'm not going to do this, and I will just go on with my studies and help the people who come to me to ask for help.

Again, thank you for reading, hopefully other people who are committed to try to persuade someone will go on. And in any case all is well that ends well, so my personal goal is to have as many people recovered from their ills in a positive way as possible, so far I was able to do my little lot, and I will just continue with this.

SOrry to have disappointed you, that all was not quite scientific.

Last edited by Elena Zagrebelnaya; 14th January 2008 at 02:59 AM. Reason: addition of text
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