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Old 29th May 2003, 10:00 AM
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J C,

Let me clarify some points.

..."Lancet and Br Med Journal are Scientific Journals." "Not strictly true - they are medical journals."

Boyd's work was tested by the most eminent scientist of the 1920's and 30's, Lord Horder and his team. The results were published in those journals because it was a medical issue.

"Physicists have a long and still very current (pardon the pun) involvement in medicine."

"I was simply making the point that tens of decades of medical physics have totally failed to show any evidence for your odd belief -"

I am well aware of all the points in your post. My reference was to the work of Boyd and others. It was only on your next post, and quotes above, that I understood why you had included all this material.

So let me reply based on this realisation.
Yes, marvellous developments. Are you saying that, during these developments, physicists would surely have stumbled upon this Boyd phenomenon if it existed?

If that is your point then I would say "not necessarily". A great deal is still unknown about magnetic phenomena, according to many physicists, e.g. the up-to-date University textbook "Quantum Theory of Magnetism" by Mallinson.

Medical Equipment available utilises a considerable range of the e/m spectrum, but much is still unknown.

From wading thru literature on Boyd and his much criticized predecessor Abrams (or Abrahms), I think this e/m radiation phenomenon, is probably within the Radio or Microwave frequency ranges.

J C,

"I was simply making the point that tens of decades of medical physics have totally failed to show any evidence for your odd belief - although lack of evidence isn't the same as proof of absence, we can fairly safely conclude that you are more than likely barking up the wrong tree."

Re: my odd belief.

1. I studied Hahnemann's writings carefully and concluded that the man was certainly sincere, as well as being extremely clever. I could not fault any of his reasoning, and the knowledge of Human Pathology he acquired through tireless practical work, was nothing less than astounding.
In other words, I am certain that Hahnemann succeeded with his system of medicine. And, if he was wrong then he was not certainly aware of it, so don't doubt his integrity.

Whether or not his system was faithfully continued by his successors is another matter, and I am in no way qualified to comment on this.

So, at the moment, I restrict my belief in Homeopathy to that performed by Hahnemann himself, personally,.sometimes called Classical Homeopathy (but wrongly so, see next post). I have revisited many Scientific studies on Homeopathy, none of which tested Hahnemann's Classical homeopathy.

2. The work of Boyd, Abrams, Voll & Schimmel should be seriously considered. If the Scientists cannot reproduce the results then they should get in a systems analyst to help.

3. A large number of papers supporting Homeopathy have accumulated.

See next post.

Tim

Altern Med Rev 2002 Feb 7(1) page 59-67

Effective treatment of seborrheic dermatitis using a low dose, oral homeopathic medication consisting of potassium bromide, sodium bromide, nickel sulfate, and sodium chloride in a double-blind, placebo-controlled study.

Smith SA, Baker AE, Williams JH.
Loma Lux Laboratories, Tulsa, OK, USA.

BACKGROUND Topical over-the-counter remedies exist to aid in the control of seborrheic dermatitis. Low-dose systemic oral nickel and bromide therapy has shown promise in providing improvement and eventual clearing of the disease.
OBJECTIVE To evaluate the effect of an orally administered low-dose, homeopathic mineral therapy (Potassium bromide 1X, Sodium bromide 2X, Nickel sulfate 3X, Sodium chloride 6X) on seborrheic dermatitis.
METHODS 41 patients with seborrheic dermatitis were assigned to one of two treatment groups: Active or placebo. Study medication was administered in a placebo-controlled, randomly-selected, double-blind study for 10 weeks. At the end of 10 weeks all patients crossed over to the active medication, under a different label for an additional 10 weeks in an open study format.
RESULTS Twenty-nine patients completed the 10-week blinded portion of the study. After 10 weeks of treatment, the disease state of the active patients improved significantly over that of the placebo patients, p < 0.04. The placebo patients' condition before and after crossover to active treatment was also evaluated, showing significant improvement, p < 0.01, 10 weeks after crossing over to active medication. CONCLUSION Oral therapy using a low-dose homeopathic preparation combining Potassium bromide 1X, Sodium bromide 2X, Nickel sulfate 3X, and Sodium chloride 6X, provides significant improvement in seborrheic dermatitis after 10 weeks.

[ 30. May 2003, 17:37: Message edited by: Timokay ]
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