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#1 (**permalink**) 25th November 2004, 11:35 AM

Dear Homeolist,

The following post was written by Will Talyor who I respect greatly. As to his views about the sycotic miasm, I respectfully disagree. The following is Will's public letter with my commentary added below his statements. I invite others to comment on this subject.

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Originally Posted by Will Taylor

Venereal wart disease (Hahnemann's fig-wart disease, sycosis) is *not* gonorrhea

I will have to disagree with Will on this one. Hahnemann often spoke of sycosis and its gonorrheal discharge as well as its excrescence. There are many such quotes. In the Chronic Diseases Hahnemann says: "The gonorrhea dependant on the fig-wart disease miasma, as well as the above-mentioned excrescences (i.e. the whole sycosis) is cured, mostly surely and most thoroughly through the internal use of Thuja..." He is certainly speaking of both a gonorrheal discharge and various excrescences that appear to come together. He also notes Thuja has removed BOTH symptoms many times. So now, we have to see how this fits together before we take them apart.

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Originally Posted by Will Taylor

Gonorrhea is a bacterial disease, communicated by Neiseria gonorrhea, the "gonoccoccus". Venereal wart disease is communicated by Human Papilloma Virus, which was only identified as a discrete entity in the 1980's (tho its viral origin was suspected much earlier).

Hahnemann included both gonorrhea and excrescence under the same miasms. I think Will is missing some important points here. That is similar susceptibility, similar pathways of the disease and similar signs and symptoms. Sycosis may well include gonorrhea and HPV as well as some other infective agents and symptoms. They come together in a band of susceptibility and share a similar pathway of disease where one leads to the other. Those with inherited and acquired gonorrhea have HPV warts and some others have flecks and moles and other growths and brown discolorations that do not involve HPV at all!

How is it that some people have the complete sycotic syndrome never had HPV genital warts but they do have the moles, fishy smells, dark hairy patches and the brown spots as well as the catarrhal discharges and joint pains. All these signs and symptoms come together as one syndrome that is called sycosis. Some of these cases resolved with the return of a gonorrheal discharge showing the original cause. This is all *without HIPV*. It simply cannot be the only agent of sycosis. Nor has it been show that HPV alone can produce all the latent and tertiary symptoms associated with sycosis while gonorrhea has!

I and other have also confirmed cases where the patient had gonorrhea and then developed all the classical signs of sycosis without any infection of genital warts caused by HPV. If one thinks in terms of bands of susceptibility the entire syndrome including both is possible. I don't think narrowing it down to one entity can explain all that we observe clinically. That is too linear and somewhat allopathic in thinking. Sycosis is first and foremost a family of confirmed symptoms that have been removed. Many times their removal has ended with the return of a gonorrheal discharge. These are clinical facts not theories. I have seen this prove in the form of a glass full of yellow-green pus-like matter!

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Originally Posted by Will Taylor

The two obviously frequently co-occur, as they are both common communicable venereal diseases.

These states comes together because they share similar susceptibility and a similar pathway of disease. Their suppression may lead to a similar syndrome because of this relationship. It is not that they are two completely different entities just because they involve different infective agents. They are in the same ban of susceptibility, share similar pathways and their suppression may tend to produce similar symptoms. ?This will have to sorted out clinically by observing the progression of symptoms under the disease and the reversal of symptoms during cure. The complete picture of genitourinary and constitutional symptoms of gonorrheal-sycosis can not be explained away so easily.

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Originally Posted by Will Taylor

Gonorrhea is a sub-acute miasm that may have a long latency and prolonged clinical course. Venereal wart disease is a chronic miasm - a permanent engraftment on the constitution.

Gonorrhea is also a life long chronic diseases, especially when suppressed. It is not self limiting like the other half-acute miasm Hahnemann mentioned, which was rabies. It is not just an infection of the urogenital tract. It can spread in the tissues, blood and lymph system to joints and organs and produce arthritis-like compliants and other constitutional symptoms The drip may resolve in time but the systemic symptoms do not, especially when suppressed, which is usually the case.

Neiseria gonorrhea is not a self limiting bacteria like an acute or sub-acute disorder. When it is suppressed the patient never recover completely. As has been shown with psora the original infective agent can be killed by suppression but the syndrome continues until death You can kill the mites or bacteria but the internal mistuning continues. This is the same with gonorrhea. Thinking of it in term of live bacteria only is a mistake made by the allopaths.

The gonorrhea infection in the female is often insidious and the patient may experience only a slight leucorrhoea that is not considered serious. In the female the urethra may or may not be involved and many times there are not the painful symptoms that are associated with the male anatomy. In many cases the onset is fairly mild but the vagina, cervix and urethra are usually involved to some degree. The patient often experiences itching and tickling sensations as well as a burning, smarting urination that irritates the mucous membranes. Some patients don't feel anything until much, much later.

In the more severe forms there may be discharge of mucus and pus and sensations of heat, swelling, fullness and itching. Small superficial ulcers may form on the mucous membranes, which become red and inflamed. The symptoms may spread to the bladder causing cystitis with discharges of blood or bloody urine. The inflammation may also spread to the labia, Bartholin’s glands, vagina, and cervix, neck of the uterus, fallopian tubes and ovaries. In some cases there may be severe complications such as salpingitis, uterine hemorrhage, pelvic inflammatory disease (PID) or arthritis.

Occasionally there is bacteremia where the gonococcus enters the bloodstream producing fever, malaise, and flitting joint pains and scanty pustular or petechial skin lesions on the periphery of the limbs. This has the potential for serious sequels such as pericarditis, endocarditis, meningitis, or perihepatitis that can be very dangerous. A baby born of a women infected with gonorrhea may suffer from neonatal infections of the eyes. All these symptoms are included in the traditional list of sign and symptoms caused by sycosis.

Sycosis, like psora is not gone just because someone took a drug and there are "no more bacteria". That is how the allopaths think not homeopaths. All of the above symptoms are mimicked by the sycotic miasma when the original discharge is suppressed by antibiotics.The suppressed miasm produces all these states even if the bacteria has been killed because the pathways of the suppressed miasms are similar to the symptoms of the active infection and its complications. These effects can then be transmitted by heredity to the next generation.

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Originally Posted by Will Taylor

Hahnemann never completed his promised anamnesis of sycosis, & his brief description in Chronic Diseases conjoins several common venereal diseases (likely HPV, gonorrhea, Chlamydia, etc.). Boenninghausen made a significant contribution toward this, in his Anamnesis of Sycosis (in his Lesser Writings). Our current "understanding" of sycosis unfortunately has intermixed symptoms of Venereal Wart Disease and Gonorrhea within it.

Psora's primary eruptions are a soft tissue infection of the skin that can be caused by several infective agents. In the CD Hahnemann mentions pimples and boils (staph-bacteria)), leprosy (bacterial TB), tetter (fungi), scabies (mites) and tinea (viruses), etc. All these vectors share the same pathway of disease and produce a similar psoric syndrome on suppression. This means that psora is NOT caused by one agent. Sycosis may not relate to only one agent either. Like psora sycosis may have a number of microorganisms involved.

It is possible may include gonococcus, chlamydia, trichomoniasis as well as HPV other homogeneous infective agents that share a similar pathway and produce similar constitutional symptoms on suppression. All of this must be shorted out over time. I have confirmed this in some cases of chlamydia. The patient became "sycotic" after suppression and produced many of the symptoms in the classical symptoms list. The disappear on the return of the original discharge under homeopathic treatment. Many sycotic cases have reversed to a gonorrheal discharge showing the origin of the symptoms. These are clinic facts not theories about one microorganism versus another.

In my opinion sycosis covers a number of possibilities and it opens one to a certain ban of susceptibility. Yes, it might well include gonococcus, chlamydia, HPV and other agents just like psora has more then one primary vector (bacteria, fungi, mites, viruses). Chronic sycosis produces a ban of susceptibility that leads to being affected by more sycotic agents and symptoms. The simple venereal wart caused by HPV does not explain away all constructional symptoms of sycosis found on the skin and internally. The wart is not the miasm but just one member of the greater syndrome.

If one wished to split hairs - I would say the sycotic symptoms are more similar to gonorrhea than HPV. HPV has been linked to cervical cancer in females and almost nothing in men. It also has NOT been documented to produce the wide set of constitutional symptoms associated with sycosis while gonorrhea and its complications have been shown to make up the complete classical picture of sycosis. The suppressed sycotic miasm mimics all these complications and sequels.

I, however, am not going to separate such things because they sometimes come together and go together clinically in some cases and in other cases they do not. Nearly all cases show some sort of dark hairy spots, moles, flecks, and other discolorations with concomitant fishy smells, stiff joints, painful muscles, weaken heart, etc., whether HPV or is or not!

As to what has been mixed up. When Hahnemann described the "figwarts" he gives a description of condylomata lata, which is actually caused by syphilis. He does not describe condylomatoa acumminata, which relates venereal and other warts, flecks and moles, etc. The people he was describing most likely had both sycosis and syphilis. Remember he said he had not seen that many cases. It was later homeopaths who carefully separated the symptoms of gonorrheal sycosis with condylomata accuminata from syphilis and condylomata lata. The classic figwarts Hahnemann described are caused by the gummata of syphilis. Simple HPV does not make figwarts, which really look like figs! Take a look in a medical book.

So...over the years homeopaths have done a very good job of finishing up where Hahnemann left off. The use of anti-sycotic remedies and the reversal of symptoms have confirmed the gonorrhea-sycosis hypothesis clinically. Limiting a grand syndrome like the sycotic miasm to HPV warts alone does not fit with the clinical symptoms or reversal of symptoms during cures over the years.

I and others have seen cases where the patient had a gonorrheal discharge that was suppressed and then they developed all the classical signs of sycosis over time. During treatment these collective symptoms reversed until the original discharge returned. The symptoms did not reverse to a venereal wart! We homeopaths have many such examples. You can not explain away all this clinical data by only pointing out gonorrhea and genital warts are caused by two different microorganism. They are related in a greater venereal syndrome known as sycosis which includes similar susceptibilities, similar pathways of disease, and similar signs and symptoms.

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Originally Posted by Will Taylor

Thuja is clearly a centrally-sycotic remedy, the most centrally sycotic remedy we have in our Materia Medica. Medorrhinum is not highly concordant with it - tho it does clearly have some sycotic aspects, it really has much closer concordances with our Tubercular remedies.

I do not agree with this either. It is true that Medorrhinum does have some TB-like symptoms but it is clearly made up of gonorrheal substances and has many sycotic symptoms. It has many more gonorrheal symptoms than TB symptoms. A good number of reinstated gonorrheal discharges, the removal of various excresences and arthritic-rheumatic syndromes have confirmed this remedy as a powerful anti-sycotic. The following symptoms have been confirmed in the clinic many times. These are from Allen's Keynotes.

"- For the constitutional effects of maltreated and suppressed gonorrhoea, when the best selected remedy fails to relieve or permanently improve.

- For persons suffering from gout, rheumatism, neuralgia and diseases of the spinal cord and its membranes_even organic lesions ending in paralysis_which can be traced to a sycotic origin.

- For women, with chronic ovaritis, salpingitis, pelvic cellulitis, fibroids, cysts, and other morbid growths of the uterus and ovaries, especially if symptoms point to malignancy, with or without sycotic origin.

- For scirrhus, carcinoma or cancer; either acute or chronic in development, when the symptoms correspond and a history of sycosis can be traced.

- Bears the same relation to deep-seated sycotic chronic affections of spinal and sympathetic nervous system, that Psorinum does to deep-seated affections of skin and mucous membranes."

Medorrhinum has been given on these indications when the concomitants agree and have cured a host of cases. Notice the great similarity of the symptoms to the sequels of a constitutional infection of gonococcus. The miasm can produce these symptoms even if the gonococcus has been suppressed and the disease is considered cured by the allopaths. Some of these cases resolved with the return of the original gonorrheal discharge.

I don't often disagree with Will but I think he is missing the point by only thinking in terms of one single infective agent per miasm. That is certainly NOT the case with Hahnemann's description of Psora in the CD, which sets the pattern for all other miasms. Think of the miasms as syndromes involving spectrums of agents, similar pathways of disease and similar constitutional symptoms and the matter is more clear. Will also in not paying attention to the host of case histories with complete sycotic constitutional symptoms that resolved with the return of the original gonorrheal discharge. Kent, Allen and others (including myself) have confirmed this clinically. This is clinical proof that transcends ideas about what causes what.

Sincerely, David Little

PS Anyone got Will's email address. I want to send him this post.

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